Money for nothing and your chicks for free [Archive]

Realist

Nov 13, 2011, 7:58 PM

This may be more than you asked for, but here it is, anyway:

When I finished my Army enlistment, in '62, I considered becoming a boy-toy for a doctor I met. I was 21 and he was about 60.

We began a sexual relationship and, at first, I thought being with him was great. Doc had a beautiful home, a full-time maid/cook, and the food was fantastic. There was a huge bar, with all kinds of expensive stuff to drink, too. An entertainment room was set up for movies, music, and games.

He wasn't difficult to be with....he was mostly a bottom and it didn't take much energy to satisfy him. Actually, I was relieved that he didn't want to fuck me, or have me suck him, because he had a huge cock..............which is something I have never been attracted to. He'd suck me off, while he masturbated, or I'd fuck him, while he masturbated, then he'd be sated for at least 24 hours.....sometimes longer.

He soon began asking me to move in with him. His idea was for me to come live with him and be available when he wanted me. In return, he was going to buy me a car, clothes, and pay me a salary. Doc didn't want me to work and asked me to quit my job. But I hung onto it; I wasn't ready to turn my life over to him.. ( I could have saved it all, because it'd cost me nothing to live there)

I could go and come as I wished, when he was at work, or on one of his many business trips. He was gay, but said it was OK for me to have a GF.....as long as she didn't interfere with the times he wanted me to be with him.

But, it wasn't long before I began seeing a pattern that indicated he was jealous and obsessive/compulsive.

For instance: One day, he came home from work early, before I had showered. He could smell sex on me, from being with my GF, and began ranting about my being a "breeder"!

He could not understand why I'd want to have a relationship with a cute, sexy, redhead, when he could give me all the sex I wanted. (He thought!) My being bisexual was apparently a problem, after-all, even though he originally said it was OK. (That was not the last time I got that from a gay lover)

Right then, I began to weigh the scale between becoming his lackey and having the things he offered me, against being free and being broke. I decided I would remain free; the benefits didn't out-weigh my loss of freedom. I left, while he pouted.

My GF actually thought I was making a big mistake. She figured that over just a few years I could save a bundle. Then, I would have an education and a good nest-egg saved up. (Doc had offered to send both of us through college)

When I told her my decision to move-on, she was pissed. She stormed out, slamming the door behind her.

Then, I drove over to Doc's, gave him the keys to his house back, then turned his offer down.

He came unglued!

I never expected him to cry and throw a tantrum, but he was like a spoiled kid, who couldn't get his way. He even threatened suicide!

We'd only been together about two months, but he was "in love with me" and ".........thought we were soul mates who would be together forever!"

Oh please, he was gonna PAY me to be his lover!

I walked out.

My GF was mad at me, too, and I just wanted to get away.

I'd been offered a job in Kentucky, so I packed my stuff and left Florida. I didn't tell either one of them where I was going and never saw them again.

Oh, I've thought about what might have been and how I might have gained a lot from the relationship. But, I'm really glad I didn't stay.

darkeyes

Nov 13, 2011, 8:07 PM

Hmmm initially thought nope.. never... but b4 I go into that have accepted gifts from lovers.. and would be lovers.. but such trinkets were never conditional on lyin' on me back for them.. Then got I to thinkin'.. and dont think this is ver nice..but it wos ver profitable.. with my ex hubbie, a few times wen being pestered for nookie wen I "had a headache" on the evening or soon after I had asked for summat I did do the good lil wifie blackmail thing... his wants for my desire... or shud that b his desire for my wants???:rolleyes:... other than that nope..

..tried it with Kate 2 as it happens.. she is made of sterner stuff.. she just gets huffy an turns over and says " o fuck u".. cow..:tong:

Hephaestion

Nov 13, 2011, 8:55 PM

Realist - how peculiar you should mention doctors.

Quite brazen about the whole arrangement. "You need have no more money worries". A gilded cage if ever there was one. Tested for social etiquette and academic suitability. There were clothes, the homes in the UK and France, the sports club memberships, holidays. All she needed was the toy boys. I knew that there was at least one more and we resembled each other. She kept us apart - pity.

I had to move surgeries of course. She left the country soon afterwards.

Jobelorocks

Nov 13, 2011, 9:19 PM

I have always considered being a promotional model. I think I would do well at that. I am really friendly and I have the body for it. It is a pretty easy gig and you make good money (generally around $75/hr). All you have to do is socialize, flirt, and promote whatever product. It is kind of hard to get into. The area I live in now is kind of devoid of any promotional event, but if I move back to L.A. I can get into it.

lizard-lix

Nov 14, 2011, 9:42 AM

Holly Hill, an Aussie gal, became a partially successful Sugarbabe (girl toy for a Sugar Daddy), wrote about it and has even been featured on National Geo's Taboo series in a segment about 'Negotiated Infidelity'

See more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holly_Hill_(author)

I read the book, it was interesting, but I thought the end kinda fell apart..

æonpax

Nov 14, 2011, 10:17 AM

sammie19

Nov 14, 2011, 11:02 AM

æonpax

Nov 14, 2011, 11:54 AM

I am blond but there is nothing I can do about that. You are right, many blondes seem to be clones of one another, especially those who are not naturally blonde. It happens with women of other hair colours also but it is especially true about blondes. Which is why I try always to look and be different and not be just like the rest. When young I made some money out of sex. 50p a kiss. A pound for a flash of my undies and £2.00 for a look at my bra covered boobs. I was offered 5 pounds for a feel down my knickers or inside my bra, but that was too much for my adolescent sluttishness. I was 13 and got caught doing it. Being grounded for 3 months and my pocket money stopped for 2 was more than I could bear.

I have nothing against blonds, I'm a natural blond myself, still, the Neanderthal males stereotype that with being less intelligent.

I'm all for legalizing prostitution throughout all the 50, US states but there are other ways sex can earn money, such as being a Mistress (in the old sense of the word).

binectar

Nov 14, 2011, 12:54 PM

I have nothing against blonds, I'm a natural blond myself, still, the Neanderthal males stereotype that with being less intelligent.

I'm all for legalizing prostitution throughout all the 50, US states but there are other ways sex can earn money, such as being a Mistress (in the old sense of the word).

You state the above, yet cite the women of Fox news as being "hammered out", belittling their work as "faux news". If you bothered to watch with any regularity this network you would see that their work is intelligent, thoughtful, and commendable...far more so than any other networks. (opinion)
Your own statements smack of the same misguided "Neanderthal male" stereotypes you so aptly characterize.
I, for one, am weary of both the sexual and political judgmentalism encountered in real life. Yes, we all have it to some degree. But can't we express it in more positive, helpful ways?
My very sexy, very beautiful blonde wife (I'm prejudiced) who just happens to also be a Doctor, (not a Stepford wife), and these Fox ladies alike suffer at the hands of those who would compartmentalize politics and/or blondes in such a manner as to minimize any and all messages delivered...just because they are from a source that they don't personally respect. Since we are all here because of our sexuality, in one form or another, don't you think it would be more enlightening (and less stressful) to address issues with only that in mind?
It would be nice to share this common bond we all have without forcing issues elsewhere.
It's a complicated subject made unclear by our emotions. We don't have to attack those we don't understand, nor do we have to tolerate them. Yet we can address such issues in a less antagonistic, more creative manner.

If I come across as overly critical, I apologize. It was not my intention.

As for money for sex: to each his own...so long as no-one is hurt in the process.

æonpax

Nov 14, 2011, 2:22 PM

You state the above, yet cite the women of Fox news as being "hammered out", belittling their work as "faux news". If you bothered to watch with any regularity this network you would see that their work is intelligent, thoughtful, and commendable...far more so than any other networks. (opinion)
Your own statements smack of the same misguided "Neanderthal male" stereotypes you so aptly characterize.
I, for one, am weary of both the sexual and political judgmentalism encountered in real life. Yes, we all have it to some degree. But can't we express it in more positive, helpful ways?
My very sexy, very beautiful blonde wife (I'm prejudiced) who just happens to also be a Doctor, (not a Stepford wife), and these Fox ladies alike suffer at the hands of those who would compartmentalize politics and/or blondes in such a manner as to minimize any and all messages delivered...just because they are from a source that they don't personally respect. Since we are all here because of our sexuality, in one form or another, don't you think it would be more enlightening (and less stressful) to address issues with only that in mind?
It would be nice to share this common bond we all have without forcing issues elsewhere.
It's a complicated subject made unclear by our emotions. We don't have to attack those we don't understand, nor do we have to tolerate them. Yet we can address such issues in a less antagonistic, more creative manner.
If I come across as overly critical, I apologize. It was not my intention.
As for money for sex: to each his own...so long as no-one is hurt in the process.

1) I'm a Journalism major and have developed a strong dislike for the overt bias and lack of journalistic ethics Fox displays in their news casts. I could take up a hundred pages showing and sourcing examples of their delivery of news which reeks of pandering, misstatements, omissions, hearsay and outright lies, but I have no desire to that. This is my opinion and if that and my dictum does not agree with you, it is so noted.

2) I used the phrase, "Neanderthal males" as a metaphor for sexist men, specifically in the work environment, whom still judge women by the color of their hair. Such denigration and stereotyping often lead to sexual harassment, which is still a problem in the US, albeit, one that is decreasing.

If you are not a male that thinks and/or acts like that, then I don't see any problem.

3) Here's a link to the original article as it appeared in Ms. Magazine http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/04/08/watch-out-sarah-palin-you-may-get-foxified/ I saw it reprinted on Jezebel and happen to agree with it.

darkeyes

Nov 14, 2011, 5:40 PM

Do thoroughly approve of an like a girl who can look after 'ersel... good for u babes..:bigrin:

Darkside2009

Nov 14, 2011, 7:28 PM

I have nothing against blonds, I'm a natural blond myself, still, the Neanderthal males stereotype that with being less intelligent.

I'm all for legalizing prostitution throughout all the 50, US states but there are other ways sex can earn money, such as being a Mistress (in the old sense of the word).

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Ah! Poor Neanderthals, always being stereotyped. As to prostitution, the reasons for it, are many and varied. I am not in favour of it, for many reasons, it tends to bring other social problems in its wake, drugs, pimps, violence, destruction of relationships, human trafficking, to name but a few.

It reduces human beings to the level of a commodity and destroys the way in which we act towards and view each other. The long-term effect of this is detrimental to our relationships and our sense of self-worth.

That humans have exploited others since time immemorial is undisputed, it is still not an activity I would wish to encourage. I would rather engender an attitude of dignity and respect for each other, to cherish and love one another as we would if the person concerned was our Mother; Sister; Daughter; Father; Brother or Son.

It is a time when we should be attempting to heal divisions, rather than seeking to increase them.

Darkside2009

Nov 14, 2011, 7:32 PM

I am blond but there is nothing I can do about that. You are right, many blondes seem to be clones of one another, especially those who are not naturally blonde. It happens with women of other hair colours also but it is especially true about blondes. Which is why I try always to look and be different and not be just like the rest.

When young I made some money out of sex. 50p a kiss. A pound for a flash of my undies and £2.00 for a look at my bra covered boobs. I was offered 5 pounds for a feel down my knickers or inside my bra, but that was too much for my adolescent sluttishness. I was 13 and got caught doing it. Being grounded for 3 months and my pocket money stopped for 2 was more than I could bear.

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I am surprised you had need of any pocket-money when you had such a lucrative scam going. :rolleyes:

sammie19

Nov 14, 2011, 8:08 PM

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I am surprised you had need of any pocket-money when you had such a lucrative scam going. :rolleyes:

I didn't do it for long and it was nipped in the bud before I really made any real money. Thats what getting caught does.

It was one of the local boys from close to my village first made the suggestion or I woudn't have thought of it. By a quirk of fate it was his hard luck that it was also he and his friend I got caught flashing my boobs to when the scam was discovered.

Darkside2009

Nov 14, 2011, 9:53 PM

I didn't do it for long and it was nipped in the bud before I really made any real money. Thats what getting caught does.

It was one of the local boys from close to my village first made the suggestion or I woudn't have thought of it. By a quirk of fate it was his hard luck that it was also he and his friend I got caught flashing my boobs to when the scam was discovered.

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Is it too late to open an account? :bigrin:

æonpax

Nov 15, 2011, 5:08 AM

As to prostitution, the reasons for it, are many and varied. I am not in favour of it, for many reasons, it tends to bring other social problems in its wake, drugs, pimps, violence, destruction of relationships, human trafficking, to name but a few.

It reduces human beings to the level of a commodity and destroys the way in which we act towards and view each other. The long-term effect of this is detrimental to our relationships and our sense of self-worth.

That humans have exploited others since time immemorial is undisputed, it is still not an activity I would wish to encourage. I would rather engender an attitude of dignity and respect for each other, to cherish and love one another as we would if the person concerned was our Mother; Sister; Daughter; Father; Brother or Son.

It is a time when we should be attempting to heal divisions, rather than seeking to increase them.
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I don't necessarily agree with ideology behind prostitution, per se, but I'm a pragmatist. Since it's been around forever and it's never going to go away, best to legalize it, control it and perhaps tax it.
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Long Duck Dong

Nov 15, 2011, 5:28 AM

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I don't necessarily agree with ideology behind prostitution, per se, but I'm a pragmatist. Since it's been around forever and it's never going to go away, best to legalize it, control it and perhaps tax it.
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its legal in NZ, strictly regulated and yes, taxed.....

aspects of it were not illegal, but it was also not taxed, escorts ( as they were known ) were required to declare income, many didn't, so the government created laws in order to make it fully legal, monitored and regulated, and yes taxed......

part of the deal was health monitoring ( std testing ) etc, which in a way, is a very good thing for the clients and the escorts... and provided ( I will use the term loosely ) a safer *work * environment for escorts......

still to this day, there are a number of people that refuse to * conform * to regulations, stating that the laws removed their ability to make their own choices and instead, legally * pimped * them for the benefit of the taxation dept......

there have been opponents to prostitution on the grounds that it leads to depression and mental disorders, drug use, misuse of females, the treatment of them as sex objects, the degrading of females etc etc, all valid points

some of the arguments against statements like that, have been statements by escorts

" the same shit happens outside of prostitution....the only difference between us, models and the rest of women, is we get paid.."

" our bodies, our rights, our choices, but when we exercise them, we are told that we are not allowed to enjoy our work, we have to be victims "

" we do not have to listen to males snore, fart and grunt after sex, it can be pleasure without the pain "

" if you do not like what we do with our bodies, don't sleep with us "

I am neither pro or anti prostitution, for some its a choice, for others its a only option.... either way, sex is something that is a natural aspect of our lives.... and its given freely, traded, used as a tool / weapon etc, everyday....
even if it was made 100% illegal, it would not stop it going on every day and night in homes around the world.......

darkeyes

Nov 15, 2011, 6:35 AM

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Is it too late to open an account? :bigrin:

Lemme tellya ya daft old bugger.. if she decides 2 start takin orders.. u will b well down the queue...;)

darkeyes

Nov 15, 2011, 6:44 AM

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I don't necessarily agree with ideology behind prostitution, per se, but I'm a pragmatist. Since it's been around forever and it's never going to go away, best to legalize it, control it and perhaps tax it.
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It is legal here but the law puts all sorts of difficuties in the way... more of keeping brothels and street walking than anything else.. pimping too.. but escorts do pretty well... not all are postitutes but a great number are..of both genders... and there is no perhaps about it, æonpax.. it is work..it will be, is (when declared or discovered) and should be taxed like any other work..

In general I agree with u..it cant be got rid.. but in the interests of worker, client and society as a whole...regulate it properly and just let them get on with it.. and besides..we may not approve or like what they do.. I don't like or approve of many things people do for work.. but in the end..whose body is it?

sammie19

Nov 15, 2011, 3:48 PM

Darkside2009

Nov 15, 2011, 8:26 PM

darkeyes

Nov 15, 2011, 8:41 PM

Cant say I desperately approve of it Sam... isn't the way it should be.. but we all use what interview skills we have to get jobs.. in theory the best person should get it irrespective of gender, but we know the reality in many instances... man boss lookin for nice young sweetie for decoration (an maybe more) rather than picking someone qualified and more suitable.. an other man boss of course rejecting women on grounds that they aren't as good as men even when better qualified and brighter.. o yea.. some women bosses do it the other way around, but on nowhere near the same scale... there are far fewer of 'em for a start...

... its not a fair world the world of work sadly..and in times of recession and economic difficulty its even less fair.. I know yas a smart cookie babes.. and know why u and other women feel yas havta do as u do 2 get a decent job.. ne job even... that tho hun, does not make it right... gender an sex should never come into it... we still have a long way 2 go...:(

Darkside2009

Nov 15, 2011, 8:46 PM

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Well, we as a society don't seem to be doing too well at controlling drugs or alcohol, plenty of drug addicts around, plenty of alcoholics too.

Yes Governments benefit from the taxes on alcohol and tobacco, but we realise that they can be harmful. We don't tell alcoholics to drink up as it makes for more government taxes, we recognise it as having a harmful effect on individual human lives, on family relationships and on society as a whole.

It is not something as a society we should encourage or condone, rather it is a human weakness we should not be exploiting, but helping the individual to overcome it, and realise their full potential.

Darkside2009

Nov 15, 2011, 8:48 PM

Lemme tellya ya daft old bugger.. if she decides 2 start takin orders.. u will b well down the queue...;)

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Oi! you, not so much of the old, if you don't mind. My doctor says I have weeks ahead of me yet. :rolleyes:

darkeyes

Nov 15, 2011, 8:49 PM

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Big sigh! So much for equality of the sexes. Anyone want to borrow my eyelashes? :rolleyes:
So much indeed.. its a pity that so many women feel they need to act such... and a pity there are so many dick bosses and recruiters that ensure its perpetuation..

... and want ur eyelashes only if I can yank 'em out 1 at a time.. an ya eyebrows.. o yea.. ear hair .. an nose hair.. its gross but it brings tears 2 ya eyes.. which is cool... come think of it.. can I wax the rest of ya?? Its deliciously agonisin'.. tee hee:bigrin:

darkeyes

Nov 15, 2011, 8:50 PM

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Oi! you, not so much of the old, if you don't mind. My doctor says I have weeks ahead of me yet. :rolleyes:

Not 1ce me gets the wax onya.. tee hee;).. minutes mayb.. if yas lucky...:bigrin:

Darkside2009

Nov 15, 2011, 8:55 PM

Not 1ce me gets the wax onya.. tee hee;).. minutes mayb.. if yas lucky...:bigrin:

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What is it about wax, that brings out the sadist in women? :eek:

darkeyes

Nov 15, 2011, 8:58 PM

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What is it about wax, that brings out the sadist in women? :eek:

I know.. brill innit? tee hee:bigrin:

mariersa

Nov 15, 2011, 9:50 PM

OMG how about a basic commerce lesson, Sex sells your products, whether implied or actual. Really, this brilliant bunch can't be that naive? hmmm or can some of them be??? curious:eek:

Darkside2009

Nov 15, 2011, 10:21 PM

OMG how about a basic commerce lesson, Sex sells your products, whether implied or actual. Really, this brilliant bunch can't be that naive? hmmm or can some of them be??? curious:eek:

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I don't know about you, personally I buy products I need or want, at a price I can afford, because I need them or have a use for them. I don't buy them because some bozo in advertising is trying to sell me a 'lifestyle' whereby I will become irresistible to the opposite sex if only I buy their must-have product.

Naive? Sex can only be sold if it has a buyer, and some people I've met couldn't give it away. They can wave their blandishments in my direction as much as they want, but if I'm not interested in what they have to sell... :rolleyes:

mariersa

Nov 15, 2011, 10:42 PM

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I don't know about you, personally I buy products I need or want, at a price I can afford, because I need them or have a use for them. I don't buy them because some bozo in advertising is trying to sell me a 'lifestyle' whereby I will become irresistible to the opposite sex if only I buy their must-have product.

Naive? Sex can only be sold if it has a buyer, and some people I've met couldn't give it away. They can wave their blandishments in my direction as much as they want, but if I'm not interested in what they have to sell... :rolleyes:

Exactly, "need or want because I need them and have use for them", you made my point, who made you aware of the needs and wants or affordability or yes that's right the "bozo" trying to sell you something! looks successful too me! sorry to break the news. remember you can always go to the river and wash your arse with fresh water but, poor folks downriver:(
I wasn't referring to physical sex, that was brought out above, but good for your high morals, yes obvious primal sex should be admonished.:eek:

æonpax

Nov 16, 2011, 4:12 AM

Ah! Poor Neanderthals, always being stereotyped. As to prostitution, the reasons for it, are many and varied. I am not in favour of it, for many reasons, it tends to bring other social problems in its wake, drugs, pimps, violence, destruction of relationships, human trafficking, to name but a few.

It reduces human beings to the level of a commodity and destroys the way in which we act towards and view each other. The long-term effect of this is detrimental to our relationships and our sense of self-worth.

That humans have exploited others since time immemorial is undisputed, it is still not an activity I would wish to encourage. I would rather engender an attitude of dignity and respect for each other, to cherish and love one another as we would if the person concerned was our Mother; Sister; Daughter; Father; Brother or Son.

It is a time when we should be attempting to heal divisions, rather than seeking to increase them

IF we lived in a perfect world or a strict Victorian society, I might agree with you, but alas, we don't. Prostitution is something that will never go away. I would just as soon be realistic about it; legalize it and enact controls.

About half the countries in the world have legalized it (source ~ http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772 ~) and the US, is one of the few Western countries that hasn't.

sammie19

Nov 16, 2011, 7:58 AM

Fran, I do window dressing very well. It can be advantageous or not, and can even be disadvantageous. I know I have more to offer any employer more than how I look, but until sexism and drooling employers cease to exist, in common with many other women I have to use whatever advantages needed to succeed.

Hephaestion

Nov 16, 2011, 9:37 AM

darkeyes

Nov 16, 2011, 11:53 AM

Oh Dear, I must have a meerkat fetish!

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Hate those bloody meerkats on telly.. do like mercats tho.. big fan of mercats..:bigrin:

darkeyes

Nov 16, 2011, 12:24 PM

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Naive? Sex can only be sold if it has a buyer, and some people I've met couldn't give it away. They can wave their blandishments in my direction as much as they want, but if I'm not interested in what they have to sell... :rolleyes:

When I was a teenager, I remember an old duffer, an elder in the Kirk as it happens say words 2 that effect.. moaned 2 me mum bout the length of me skirts, me modesty an me flightiness.. daft bugger wos caught dippin it wiv sum young lady of the night down in Leith near the docks... ahh there but for the Grace of God..;)

darkeyes

Nov 16, 2011, 1:41 PM

sammie19

Nov 16, 2011, 5:49 PM

:):kiss:

Darkside2009

Nov 16, 2011, 8:22 PM

Exactly, "need or want because I need them and have use for them", you made my point, who made you aware of the needs and wants or affordability or yes that's right the "bozo" trying to sell you something! looks successful too me! sorry to break the news. remember you can always go to the river and wash your arse with fresh water but, poor folks downriver:(
I wasn't referring to physical sex, that was brought out above, but good for your high morals, yes obvious primal sex should be admonished.:eek:

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I have need of food, my stomach makes me aware of that, not some bozo in the advertisement industry. My wanting a particular type of food lies with individual taste.

To use the advertising of cars as an example, the magazines and television adverts are full of pictures of what a wonderful lifestyle I will have, if only I drive this or that brand of car in preference to another.

No mention of how reliable it is, how much spare parts cost, how many miles to the gallon it will do, how safe it is. I'm not interested if it can do 0-60mph in three seconds flat, or has a top speed of 200 miles an hour. Since traffic conditions and speed limits on our roads make those features useless to me. So said bozo is wasting his/her time trying to convince me it will make me more attractive to women. All I require of my car is that it gets me from point A to point B in safety and comfort at a reasonable cost.

Likewise clothing, I could spend thousands of pounds on a suit from Saville Road tailors, will it keep me any warmer or drier than a suit costing five hundred pounds? The simple answer is no.

A certain manufacturer of anti-perspirant is running a series of expensive television adverts, depicting Angels falling out of the sky, and girls on a beach flocking to a male wearing their product. Do I believe this will happen if I wear their product? Again, no. Does anyone actually believe this? Perhaps some do, but the old adage about a fool and his money being easily parted seems apt here.

Prostitution is as old as mankind, that doesn't mean I need to condone it, or make money, either directly or indirectly from it. I believe human relations should be based on dignity and respect for each other and our emotional well-being. I believe that prostitution is contrary to that and so I oppose it.

I believe, that prostitution eats away like a cancer, on our sense of worth, leaving people vulnerable to drugs and other forms of exploitation just to get them through their day. I believe that prostitution distorts the views of those engaged in it and how they see and interact with their fellow human beings, and that such distortions are harmful to their mental health and relationships.

There have been, and always will be, those willing and able, to exploit the vulnerabilities of their fellow human beings, to trade on their misery and misfortune. I will not join the ranks of those.

If that makes me seem strange or naive in the eyes of some, then so be it.

Some posters have already mentioned that prostitution is legal in some parts of the World. Has that ended trafficking in people, or the activities of pimps, or drug-dealing or violence on the back of it? Not in the least. If you make the cake bigger you only increase the number of people wanting a slice of it.

pepperjack

Nov 16, 2011, 8:30 PM

Darkside2009

Nov 16, 2011, 8:33 PM

IF we lived in a perfect world or a strict Victorian society, I might agree with you, but alas, we don't. Prostitution is something that will never go away. I would just as soon be realistic about it; legalize it and enact controls.

About half the countries in the world have legalized it (source ~ http://prostitution.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000772 ~) and the US, is one of the few Western countries that hasn't.

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Well both our countries license distilleries to make spirits and gain revenue from it, it hasn't stopped people making moon-shine in your country or poteen in mine. People will avoid paying taxes if they can.

Increased availability and cheaper unit price for alcohol has led to more alcoholics, more family problems, break-down in relationships, burden on the health and social services. The government still makes money on taxing it.

To simply allow the government to get it's snout in the trough along with the others is not a good enough reason to legalise anything.

Darkside2009

Nov 16, 2011, 8:47 PM

I have used sex several times to get myself employment, and once across the door to keep that employment. Many women use their sex and appearance for that, especially when we assess that aeonpax's neanderthal's are in charge.

I am quite pretty and presentable, and have used my sex and appearance to impress. In no way have I allowed myself to be used for sex by prospective employers or employers but know how to use sex to best effect short of that. If an employer wants young and pretty as opposed to capable, qualified and male who am I to argue?

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The trouble with that idea is that looks fade, if you got the job because of your looks it is easy to replace you with a younger and better looking model. Whereas if you got the job because of your qualifications and experience in the field, it is that much harder to replace you.

If you recall the number of beautiful women promoting face-creams and beauty products over the years, they are constantly being replaced, even though some were extremely talented and famous in their own field.

pepperjack

Nov 16, 2011, 10:22 PM

I have used sex several times to get myself employment, and once across the door to keep that employment. Many women use their sex and appearance for that, especially when we assess that aeonpax's neanderthal's are in charge.

I am quite pretty and presentable, and have used my sex and appearance to impress. In no way have I allowed myself to be used for sex by prospective employers or employers but know how to use sex to best effect short of that. If an employer wants young and pretty as opposed to capable, qualified and male who am I to argue?

I was approached & offered employment by a local millionare in his 5-star restaurant once. It was common knowledge in the community that he was gay. I was working in another restaurant at the time. I accepted the offer; it was a survival thing for me; he had ulterior motives, namely sex w/me. I played along for the sake of survival. At one point, he offered me his guest cottage behind his mansion ( shades of O.J. & Kato)! One evening he started groping me & I rebuffed him. He became vindictive & made life a living hell for me afterwards. At that point,I had become a real performer on the job, so I quit on him during a night when he needed me most. Naturally, when I filed for unemployment,he opposed me & w/his wealth swayed the state which due to then political climate was indulging in massive budget cuts.Had I known then what I know now about sexual harrassment! As Jesus once said, "Is it not the rich which doth oppress you?" :disgust:

mikey3000

Nov 16, 2011, 10:47 PM

I was just told by my BF that he made me his sole heir in his will. I was stunned. Made me feel rather uncomfortable really. I'd much rather have him here with me in life than his $$ when he's gone. :(

sammie19

Nov 17, 2011, 6:31 AM

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The trouble with that idea is that looks fade, if you got the job because of your looks it is easy to replace you with a younger and better looking model. Whereas if you got the job because of your qualifications and experience in the field, it is that much harder to replace you.

If you recall the number of beautiful women promoting face-creams and beauty products over the years, they are constantly being replaced, even though some were extremely talented and famous in their own field.

I know how the world works and how some employers think. Not being a fool and knowing the fate of very talented and well qualified women in many areas of work once in a job we often have to work harder than most men to retain far less improve our position and career.

Dark, your words are well taken to heart. But as they say, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. We use the gifts we have and play on the shallow and often letcherous weaknesses of those who admire those gifts. Once working it's a case of survival or die and other hopefully less superficial gifts we might have will be needed.

æonpax

Nov 17, 2011, 9:30 AM

I know how the world works and how some employers think. Not being a fool and knowing the fate of very talented and well qualified women in many areas of work once in a job we often have to work harder than most men to retain far less improve our position and career.

Dark, your words are well taken to heart. But as they say, a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do. We use the gifts we have and play on the shallow and often letcherous weaknesses of those who admire those gifts. Once working it's a case of survival or die and other hopefully less superficial gifts we might have will be needed.

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I fell into particular employment situation by chance, eight years ago, but I did walk into into this contractual agreement, with my eyes wide open. It's both above-board work and sexual. No regrets, no shame and I enjoy it. It's not just a good paycheck, it's a very, very good paycheck.

I've no concern of the morality of it and while it may appear to some as demeaning, it isn't...at least to me. One just has to understand their own limits. The few women I know that are in similar situations such as mine, basically feel the same.
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sammie19

Nov 17, 2011, 9:54 AM

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I fell into particular employment situation by chance, eight years ago, but I did walk into into this contractual agreement, with my eyes wide open. It's both above-board work and sexual. No regrets, no shame and I enjoy it. It's not just a good paycheck, it's a very, very good paycheck.

I've no concern of the morality of it and while it may appear to some as demeaning, it isn't...at least to me. One just has to understand their own limits. The few women I know that are in similar situations such as mine, basically feel the same.
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It can be demeaning but I would agree it isn't necessarily so. Whether it is or isn't very much depends on ourselves and what we see as our role and how far we are prepared to go in securing work and once there, in keeping it. It can be and is beneficial to many women.

I know a woman who is personal secretary to an older and married man. His wife is aware that he keeps a mistress and who she is. She sees no difficulty in doing her job and being her boss's lover. She too is very well paid and definitely better paid than the average PS, but does not feel compromised by the relationship and neither does she feel insecure. It is an adult and even loving relationship between two people both at work and personally. That the relationship has lasted over 15 years is testament to the adult way each involved has been. I have never met either her boss or his wife, but understand that both remain happy together and that she has her own fish to fry.

darkeyes

Nov 17, 2011, 11:04 AM

...an just who is this tart me luffly lil dimbo? Wy is it that Auntie Flan knos nowt of this???? Fran wants 2 kno... 'er nose is twitchin'...:eek:

Darkside2009

Nov 17, 2011, 7:14 PM

...an just who is this tart me luffly lil dimbo? Wy is it that Auntie Flan knos nowt of this???? Fran wants 2 kno... 'er nose is twitchin'...:eek:

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From Scarlett O'Hara to Samantha of 'Bewitched' in one night, has anyone ever told you that you watch too much television? :rolleyes:

Darkside2009

Nov 17, 2011, 7:51 PM

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I fell into particular employment situation by chance, eight years ago, but I did walk into into this contractual agreement, with my eyes wide open. It's both above-board work and sexual. No regrets, no shame and I enjoy it. It's not just a good paycheck, it's a very, very good paycheck.

I've no concern of the morality of it and while it may appear to some as demeaning, it isn't...at least to me. One just has to understand their own limits. The few women I know that are in similar situations such as mine, basically feel the same.
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I'm quite sure that Mistresses all over the World rationalise their fragile position in similar vein. You are still young, in twenty or thirty years you will not look as you do now. That very, very good pay-cheque, can just as easily be transferred to another, younger, prettier model with similar lack of concern over the morality of the situation in which they find themselves.

Money is a poor substitute for love, and the life you have chosen for yourself is by its very nature insecure. If he had wanted to marry you, he would have done so by now. If he is already married and he dies, his wife will inherit. I doubt very much she will want to continue with the very, very good pay-cheques. I think her attitude will be that she has suffered enough humiliation and need suffer no more.

As to the man concerned, no doubt there will be others in line to massage his ego and act as eye-candy on his arm. Time marches inexorably on, and it is not in your favour.

Still it is your life, you must make whatever choices please you. Perhaps with three children you feel it is the best you can hope for, I hope you learn differently. I recall a certain A. Nichole Smith, all the money her older husband had didn't seem to make her very happy.

darkeyes

Nov 17, 2011, 7:51 PM

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From Scarlett O'Hara to Samantha of 'Bewitched' in one night, has anyone ever told you that you watch too much television? :rolleyes:

I have never have watched that much telly babes... quality telly.. quality drama like the Danish original "Forbrydelsen" (the Killing) and Spiral which wos a brill French detective serial .. the second series of The Killing starts on Sat. Will be out but it will be recorded... quality comedy like Ab Fab.. classical music concerts and decent rock and folk, good serials.. old weepy films and good foreign ones.. "Bewitched" was never a favourite when a kid or now.. half my telly watching involves sitting a 4yo on me knee watching kids stuff (not cartoon junk)... I know.. more my intellectual level.. tee hee:tong:;)

æonpax

Nov 17, 2011, 8:16 PM

I'm quite sure that Mistresses all over the World rationalise their fragile position in similar vein. You are still young, in twenty or thirty years you will not look as you do now. That very, very good pay-cheque, can just as easily be transferred to another, younger, prettier model with similar lack of concern over the morality of the situation in which they find themselves.

Money is a poor substitute for love, and the life you have chosen for yourself is by its very nature insecure. If he had wanted to marry you, he would have done so by now. If he is already married and he dies, his wife will inherit. I doubt very much she will want to continue with the very, very good pay-cheques. I think her attitude will be that she has suffered enough humiliation and need suffer no more.

As to the man concerned, no doubt there will be others in line to massage his ego and act as eye-candy on his arm. Time marches inexorably on, and it is not in your favour.

Still it is your life, you must make whatever choices please you. Perhaps with three children you feel it is the best you can hope for, I hope you learn differently. I recall a certain A. Nichole Smith, all the money her older husband had didn't seem to make her very happy.

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I have absolutely no illusions as to the reality of my situation. As I stated, I went into this with my "eyes wide open." The man I work for is happily married, his wife approves and in fact, we are friends. I also, from the start, had planned ahead for the eventuality that my carnal services will no longer be required, such as investing and saving money. Also, I will still have this regular job, which I am good at.

There is one point, however, I call myself a "handmaiden" for a reason. It is more like a cross between a "Mistress" (in the old sense of the word) and a "courtesan", as my reproductive services are also involved. I am very healthy and have had no problems in carrying and birthing, like my mom who had eight of us, and still looks rather good for her age.

Your opinion on my situation, however well intentioned as it may be, is still your opinion and does not reflect the total breath nor understanding of my involvement.

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sammie19

Nov 17, 2011, 9:27 PM

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From Scarlett O'Hara to Samantha of 'Bewitched' in one night, has anyone ever told you that you watch too much television? :rolleyes:Its been that long since I watched Bewitched but Samantha used to have a nosey neighbour. I'm sorry, but I cant remember her name. Aunty Flan is more like her. But my lips are sealed and ever shall be so. I do love it when something just eats away at her.:bigrin:

Darkside2009

Nov 18, 2011, 7:46 PM

[QUOTE=sammie19;214732]Its been that long since I watched Bewitched but Samantha used to have a nosey neighbour. I'm sorry, but I cant remember her name. Aunty Flan is more like her. But my lips are sealed and ever shall be so. I do love it when something just eats away at her.:bigrin:[/QUOT

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See! this sadism is contagious. Want to borrow the wax? :rolleyes:

Darkside2009

Nov 18, 2011, 8:07 PM

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I have absolutely no illusions as to the reality of my situation. As I stated, I went into this with my "eyes wide open." The man I work for is happily married, his wife approves and in fact, we are friends. I also, from the start, had planned ahead for the eventuality that my carnal services will no longer be required, such as investing and saving money. Also, I will still have this regular job, which I am good at.

There is one point, however, I call myself a "handmaiden" for a reason. It is more like a cross between a "Mistress" (in the old sense of the word) and a "courtesan", as my reproductive services are also involved. I am very healthy and have had no problems in carrying and birthing, like my mom who had eight of us, and still looks rather good for her age.

Your opinion on my situation, however well intentioned as it may be, is still your opinion and does not reflect the total breath nor understanding of my involvement.

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As I said before, it is your life, you can call yourself whatever you like. There are also a lot of other healthy young women out there of child-bearing age, nothing unusual in that. Nothing unusual in your situation either, however much you might like to dress it up in archaic euphemisms.

æonpax

Nov 18, 2011, 9:45 PM

As I said before, it is your life, you can call yourself whatever you like. There are also a lot of other healthy young women out there of child-bearing age, nothing unusual in that. Nothing unusual in your situation either, however much you might like to dress it up in archaic euphemisms.

Oh, you mean you also object to my vocabulary? How quaint and juvenile.

Darkside2009

Nov 19, 2011, 9:24 PM

Oh, you mean you also object to my vocabulary? How quaint and juvenile.

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Outside of books, theatre and films on the period, the term 'handmaiden' has not been used much in hundreds of years, hence it is an archaic term no longer used, except in a Gorian-fantasist's wet dream.

The term 'handmaiden' simply meant a lowly servant or attendant, it does not now, nor did it then, mean a cross between a mistress and a courtesan.

If you want to call yourself a 'handmaiden' that is fine by me, if you want to call yourself Cleopatra, Queen of the Nile, that is also fine by me, as I said before, it is your life, your choice, and of no real, interest to me.

æonpax

Nov 19, 2011, 11:09 PM

Outside of books, theatre and films on the period, the term 'handmaiden' has not been used much in hundreds of years, hence it is an archaic term no longer used, except in a Gorian-fantasist's wet dream.

The term 'handmaiden' simply meant a lowly servant or attendant, it does not now, nor did it then, mean a cross between a mistress and a courtesan.

If you want to call yourself a 'handmaiden' that is fine by me, if you want to call yourself Cleopatra, Queen of the Nile, that is also fine by me, as I said before, it is your life, your choice, and of no real, interest to me.

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1) I do not recognize your definitions as being correct or acceptable.

2) From your reply, you don't seem to understand the whole concept of the English language. My use, for example, of metaphors (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metaphor) goes way over your head. The term "handmaiden" may shake the foundations of your belief structures but it is grammatically correct. You obvious never saw the movie, "The Handmaid's Tale" least you'd see the connection.

3) For someone who claims they have no interest in my affairs, you appear to be commenting on them a lot.
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Darkside2009

Nov 19, 2011, 11:59 PM

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1) I do not recognize your definitions as being correct or acceptable.

2) From your reply, you don't seem to understand the whole concept of the English language. My use, for example, of metaphors (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metaphor) goes way over your head. The term "handmaiden" may shake the foundations of your belief structures but it is grammatically correct. You obvious never saw the movie, "The Handmaid's Tale" least you'd see the connection.

3) For someone who claims they have no interest in my affairs, you appear to be commenting on them a lot.
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You did not use a metaphor, you used a simile. I would have expected someone who claimed to have majored in journalism to know the difference.

The concept of the English language, as in any other language, is to communicate effectively, here endeth the lesson. Was that succinct enough for you?

As your life is not the subject of endless fascination for me that you think, I now regard this discourse between us as closed. Perhaps you would be so good as to place me on ignore and I shall reciprocate. That way, you will not be burdened with my meagre, intellectual capacity to understand you.

æonpax

Nov 20, 2011, 12:06 AM

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Can you read?

a) I do not accept your definitions on anything. They are all biased to whatever your beliefs are.

b) Again, for someone who has no interest in my affairs, you keep posting and in an antagonistic fashion.

c) Please do put me on ignore. I shall be forever grateful. Thank you.
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void()

Nov 20, 2011, 8:36 PM

Aside from prostitution, which has always been around, there was a good write-up in Jezebel about the "foxification" of all the females who work at faux news. As you can see in the picture below, faux has hammered out a bunch of Stepford clones to announce their news. They all look the same (blond for example) and ooze sexuality as to attract male viewers.

You can sell sex without even doing anything.

http://i.imgur.com/Z6Hqe.jpg

Fade In - Int, Live news from anchor desk

"Commentary live from the kook gallery, over to Tom Halibut. Tom?'

"Yes, oh we're on? Right. The kooks are getting restless over here. They're running around tossing grape preserves and chanting "Down with trendy toothpick tarts! Long live big beautiful bitches!". Frankly, this journalist is frightened. I've covered wars damn it, been given awards. I can't die here in the kook gallery, save m ..."

"Well, it seems we've lost Tom. What happened? Oh, kooks ate his microphone? Gads! And they even gave him a lube? By all that's holy!"

Voice Over - "This has been a public service announcement and test of the emergency broadcast system, go shoot yourself again you pathetic looser."

Translation follows:

1. I do not watch Fox News.

2. I do not find these women attractive.

3. Not sure of the order of cause or effect here, it's either #1 causes #2, or #2 causes #1, or possibly X-none of the above.

4. I have thought about being a gigolo. This thought did not last long at all. I asked myself, "honestly, would you pay to fuck you?" The reply was a, "no(resounding)", without hesitation.

And this is not to say I do not love myself. It just simply says, I'm over myself. As in I realize I'm not the best nor the worst, just simply am. And I'd see no point in paying for sex with anyone, especially not when one can use animal charm to persuade it to come naturally and freely. If I'm unable to see paying for sex, how can expect others to pay? All of us are the same basic hardware and software and hence my deduction using a little common sense. Know thyself and know all others.

5. To me the object of this post seems to try causing a disconnect for a specific sub culture whom do not fit into the classically defined subtext of cliques or archetypes prevailing in the larger populous. Please note, I said it 'tries'.

6. Re-instate the rule of full body messages every third blue moon and twice on Pluto's day, oh yes, and bring us shrubbery.

darkeyes

Nov 20, 2011, 9:27 PM

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1) I do not recognize your definitions as being correct or acceptable.

2) From your reply, you don't seem to understand the whole concept of the English language. My use, for example, of metaphors (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/metaphor) goes way over your head. The term "handmaiden" may shake the foundations of your belief structures but it is grammatically correct. You obvious never saw the movie, "The Handmaid's Tale" least you'd see the connection.

3) For someone who claims they have no interest in my affairs, you appear to be commenting on them a lot.
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Im on your side in this lil spat wiv Darkside.. however.. do me and yourself a favour and be very careful of using movies as any kind of guide to what is or was real in this world... any bearing they have on what is real in this world is rather minimal.. every year what movies have to tell us about the world past and present bends and corrupts what was into something of a fantasy.. it is unbelieveable what people believe because of what they have seen of film... this is not to say film doesnt have its place in passing on a message.. it is to say, just be very careful what you believe that message to be.. anything which is classed as entertainment should always be treated with a pinch of salt and with a hugely healthy dose of scepticism... and of all forms of entertainment.. film is the one of which we should be most sceptical...

void()

Nov 20, 2011, 10:14 PM

Im on your side in this lil spat wiv Darkside.. however.. do me and yourself a favour and be very careful of using movies as any kind of guide to what is or was real in this world... any bearing they have on what is real in this world is rather minimal.. every year what movies have to tell us about the world past and present bends and corrupts what was into something of a fantasy.. it is unbelieveable what people believe because of what they have seen of film... this is not to say film doesnt have its place in passing on a message.. it is to say, just be very careful what you believe that message to be.. anything which is classed as entertainment should always be treated with a pinch of salt and with a hugely healthy dose of scepticism... and of all forms of entertainment.. film is the one of which we should be most sceptical...

Quoted for truthfulness and relativity.

"The medium is the message" -- Marshall McLuhan

The message being 'we' create 'our' world/s. 'We' control 'reality/ies'. 'We' make you see what 'we' want you to see.

And there was a guy named Phillip Agee, he was a C.I.A operative. He explained part of the strategy in C.I.A operations, involved taking over media, religion, money, transport.

If you can only control one, make it the media, it can win over the others for you. Control thought, you got action by the balls. Distort, weaken thought the body follows. Seems logical as basic Hermetic teachings from the beginnings of time echo the phrase, "so above, so below."

Given that I can understand how some may feel it safe, sane, logical, moral to sell themselves out. The main question is then, did you sell yourself short or go for a good price?

All starting to be reminiscent of _Wish You Were Here_ by Pink Floyd. Guess I'll see you all on the dark side, or maybe I'll be Major Tom.

BiBrandon

Jun 10, 2012, 8:56 PM

` I have absolutely no illusions as to the reality of my situation. As I stated, I went into this with my "eyes wide open." The man I work for is happily married, his wife approves and in fact, we are friends. I also, from the start, had planned ahead for the eventuality that my carnal services will no longer be required, such as investing and saving money. Also, I will still have this regular job, which I am good at. There is one point, however, I call myself a "handmaiden" for a reason. It is more like a cross between a "Mistress" (in the old sense of the word) and a "courtesan", as my reproductive services are also involved. I am very healthy and have had no problems in carrying and birthing, like my mom who had eight of us, and still looks rather good for her age. Your opinion on my situation, however well intentioned as it may be, is still your opinion and does not reflect the total breath nor understanding of my involvement. ` Honey, you're nothing but a ho and a snow bunny if what you wrote is actually true. If you actually knew what the word courtesan meant you would not want to describe yourself that way at all! LMAO

pepperjack

Jun 10, 2012, 11:31 PM

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Ah! Poor Neanderthals, always being stereotyped. As to prostitution, the reasons for it, are many and varied. I am not in favour of it, for many reasons, it tends to bring other social problems in its wake, drugs, pimps, violence, destruction of relationships, human trafficking, to name but a few.

It reduces human beings to the level of a commodity and destroys the way in which we act towards and view each other. The long-term effect of this is detrimental to our relationships and our sense of self-worth.

That humans have exploited others since time immemorial is undisputed, it is still not an activity I would wish to encourage. I would rather engender an attitude of dignity and respect for each other, to cherish and love one another as we would if the person concerned was our Mother; Sister; Daughter; Father; Brother or Son.

It is a time when we should be attempting to heal divisions, rather than seeking to increase them.

Darkside! So glad to see you back. IMO,your lucid, rational input always seemed to have a balancing effect on this site. I haven't read every post on this thread. I was just browsing here when I noticed your presence. Welcome back.:)

pepperjack

Jun 11, 2012, 12:24 AM

Tatuaje

Jun 11, 2012, 2:03 AM

Nothing is really free you know and money? It's nothing if you don't earn it...somehow. At the risk of sounding narcissistic, I've known since my pre-teen days that some males found me attractive and sexy. I liked the attention but also learned that money can be made on ones looks. You can be a model, an actress, a bimbo announcer on TV and make some good dollars. But those jobs are hard to come by and take too much time and work. It's easier to sell "it."

Has anyone ever sold, bartered, traded, been reciprocated for/by or otherwise exchanged wealth for pleasure or vice versa?

Like you said, nothing is really free.

In the end it has nothing to do with fox news, legalization, or even society... It is whether you are willing to accept the cost of selling it.

One of my best friends does that. She had hard times, some self-inflicted, and this was the right solution for her. She is the first person to tell you she is no one's victim.

That said, she has to compartmentalize her life in a way many could not. Her job is personal services and simply, she cannot just punch a timecard and go to the office. She draws a strong distinction between work and her personal life and does it with grace.

In the end, it is whether you can do it or not. People who do should not be vilified or treated as victims.

My 2 cents.