Lesbian Chique? Bisexual Chique?

[tenni]

Today on TV there was a report about a Patti Smith photographic exhibition at the Art Gallery of Ontario. This gallery is a major public gallery to be exhibited at. Smith was being talked about as a ground breaker and still pushing boundaries. They showed a short video of her performing and she spat in a definitely unfeminine manner. The curator of the exhibit came into frame and was talking about Patti Smith. I noticed that she was clearly wearing a man’s dress shirt unbuttoned and a rather lose fitting man’s suit jacket. Her hair was short but a bit longer at the front.


My mind moved to the Ellen show. A self identified lesbian who doesn’t like to wear a dress. I noticed that the dresser(s) have her in traditionally masculine clothing like the curator but Ellen’s clothes fit closer and shorter. There is definitely a feminine masculine clothing criteria. I know that there is such a label as “lipstick lesbian” and men find them sexually attractive. There is the dyke plaid shirt look for some lesbians.


Is there a lesbian chique? There seems to be. How would you describe this?


More difficult to determine would be: Is there a bisexual woman chique?




PS..ya ya...pushing boundaries on open minded thinking on this site again....accusations to follow. (we treat each other same etc. How dare you...you bigot etc.)

[darkeyes]

Today on TV there was a report about a Patti Smith photographic exhibition at the Art Gallery of Ontario. This gallery is a major public gallery to be exhibited at. Smith was being talked about as a ground breaker and still pushing boundaries. They showed a short video of her performing and she spat in a definitely unfeminine manner. The curator of the exhibit came into frame and was talking about Patti Smith. I noticed that she was clearly wearing a man’s dress shirt unbuttoned and a rather lose fitting man’s suit jacket. Her hair was short but a bit longer at the front.


My mind moved to the Ellen show. A self identified lesbian who doesn’t like to wear a dress. I noticed that the dresser(s) have her in traditionally masculine clothing like the curator but Ellen’s clothes fit closer and shorter. There is definitely a feminine masculine clothing criteria. I know that there is such a label as “lipstick lesbian” and men find them sexually attractive. There is the dyke plaid shirt look for some lesbians.


Is there a lesbian chique? There seems to be. How would you describe this?


More difficult to determine would be: Is there a bisexual woman chique?




PS..ya ya...pushing boundaries on open minded thinking on this site again....accusations to follow. (we treat each other same etc. How dare you...you bigot etc.)It is more that there are lesbian "cliques" Luffly 1...but it means diff things to diff peeps... they r wondrously varied in shape and form.. some r just m8s.. they mite b butch.. some maybe fem.. some r couples... again some butch some femme.. and ther r variations which r couples and singles made up of both butch an femme... some gravitate twards the butch or the femme end of the spectrum, but aren't part of a clique.. it isnt really that they r cliques... more just bunches of m8s who may or may not shag each other.. they go out an get laid by whoever who may in time or not become part of ther group.. lesbians of whatever kind r likely to b as bitchy or as nice as ne other person.. many r people who gravitate to ther own kind certainly sexually and to some degree socially...

...political lesbians are in a way really where the cliques lie.. irrespective of whether they r femme or butch.. and many are neither..and a bit of both... I'm a political human being and a lesbian.. not a political lesbian which is why really I get on fine with most lesbians but am a part of no clique of gay women.. me friendships r far too tight, close and varied to consider myself part of a lesbian clique... of ne kind of clique.. we r m8s... and each of has gud m8s who r not part of any clique or as in the case of a few, are members of other groups of m8s.. who some mite consider as cliques... gay women, bi women and str8... we have x fertilisation of "clique" because we r not exclusive and not unwelcoming to those who are not of our group of m8s.. which in part is why in the last couple of years our numbers have gone up from about a dozen to their present level... but even within a clique if that's what u wish to call it.. there can be and are "cliques".. my best friend and her partner, Kate and myself are closerto each other than anyone else.. and do more together and support each other more... some consider that friendship almost closed and clique into itself... but it isnt really...like in any group of people some just get on better and are closer to each other than others...

Maybe its me bisexual history but I have always gotten on better with bisexual girls than lesbians.. bisexual girls tend to be more feminine but that isnt always the case.. some r ver butch... but that doesnt make them exclusive to women and so be lesbian..some str8 women r butch for that matter, just as some str8 men r feminine and many gay women are femme... me for instance.... there are bisexual cliques in society among women, more among younger women but not cliques in the way they exist among lesbians and certainly not in number. But mostly whether peeps be bisexual gay or str8.. they have their own cliques.. we call them groups of m8s... some r made up of mixtures of all sexualities, some of only 1 or maybe 2... me own group of m8s, now approaching 20 in number... is predominantly str8... half a dozen bi girls including me own partner, and of course, lil "lippie les" me.. we r a "clique" cos we love each other and get along tho I don't like using the word to describe what we are as a group... we r m8s.... sexuality isn't an issue and never has been for ne of us.... neither is how we dress, whether we r butch or femme...and there are quite a few others on the periphery who are gay, bisexual and str8 who flit in and out of our "clique" as it suits......

Not sure if what I've said is the answer ur looking for... but it's the one ur getting cos it's the one I recognise... and I suppose from one part of the world to another there will be variations and interpretations of what the word "clique" means..no doubt even in the city I live in.. in fact I know that to be the case.... it can mean a group of like minded people sticking together for furtherance of an aim.. it can also mean just a gang of m8s who happen to be close and love one another as the friends they are...

[tenni]

opps ! :( Sorry darkeyes etc. I didn't mean clique.

Perhaps the spelling is "chic"
Chic meaning "stylish"

Ellen is clearly made this way for TV. She seems to have her own style but even that is changing to a bit more fem. She wears running shoes (sneakers to US peeps) but her clothing although masculine clearly is also not mannish like the curator at the Patti Smith exhibit. I know that it seems stereotypical in some ways but is there perhaps a style. Once upon a time, (80's) everyone in the art community (Canadian) wore black.

[darkeyes]

ooooppps!!!!!!!!!!:yikes2: me face is now luffly beetroot cola!!! But 2 ansa the question now... chic? hmmmm.... no.. no there isnt... not for lezzies, or bi girls... many r chic and have style.. and ther is a style some lezzies have adopted... isnt wot I'd call chic.. soz again Tenni.. am a daft cow....

lil hint.. nev post wivout (ya ver chic) specs onya face.. make a fool of urself!!!:eek2:

[12voltman59]

I have to admit--I wondered what you were talking about in this thread, Tenni---I had no idea what you were referring to in the title. I figured it was just one more "hot" cultural thing I was totally in the dark about! LOL (I am actually glad that I often am so unaware these days about so many things percolating in the culture--guess I am getting to be a cranky old fart!! LOL)