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Long Duck Dong
Apr 27, 2014, 12:17 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/23/duke-you-dont-say-campaign-photos_n_5199334.html ( the video is 4.30 minutes, there may be a short ad at the start )

they are generally sayings that I do not use... however, DD and I work in the online gaming field, assisting with running a large gaming company and we do see a lot of the same remarks used by players, mostly younger players, the adult players tend to be rather more blunt and offensive in most of their opinions.....

as the gaming outfit has a pro LGBTQ stance and a zero discrimination policy ( part of the reason why DD and I work for them and not for other gaming companies ) we are allowed to ask players to refrain from posts and in game discussions where they may use the terms shown in the video and players saying that something in the game is so gay, is something that results in us asking players to use alternative wording.....

the video comes across to me as one of those types of campaigns that are well done because they are not telling people what to think or how to act but putting their message across in a different format.... we do not use the words this way because of this reason..... and I reckon thats a good way of doing it..... most of us get annoyed at people telling us how to live, think and express ourselves but we are more likely to listen to what others say if they explain their reasoning, even if we do not agree with it......

good on duke for a pro active, non confrontational message..... I am thinking about linking it to the game site forums for the players to discuss in the off topic forum......

tenni
Apr 27, 2014, 9:24 AM
There was no reference to gaming in the video.

I think that the video is promoting the two people's view of what should or should not be acceptable use of language. Personally, I am inclined to think that the term "man up" is appropriate depending how it is used and the frequency. Words like "fag" "bitch" have a much stronger negative stereotype and based in years of negative violent use. Man up is a more recent term that one man (or the man himself) may use to remind another man (or himself) that there is an unwritten code of masculine behaviour. The term may be used to remind a friend to dig deeper to find internal strength. It can also be used as powerfully to slur or some male may feel slurred if directed to him. It is not PC amongst certain LGT to acknowledge masculinity in a positive manner. It is challenged by some as negative it seems. There is room for both. I think. All masculine attitudes and behaviour are not inherently bad.

jem_is_bi
Apr 28, 2014, 10:30 PM
Some of those words are used to reinforce existing social injustice. I agree it is a good goal to have them become rarely used in regular conversation. However, I am not totally against the use of negative words, even as an insult. We are not all wonderful people and wonderful people are not always that way. Maybe, even worse, how often are positive words over used by and on some people? Sometimes we need negative input to keep us in harmony with social reality. Otherwise, arrogance rules.

Long Duck Dong
Apr 29, 2014, 1:39 AM
nods and agrees.... I am less likely to be concerned about the use of the word gay to describe a situation or a event than I am when its meant as a insult.....it may be because I have trouble seeing some one saying * that new game event is so homosexual * ... and yes at that point I can see the person is using the word gay to mean weird, odd and stupid.....

I grew up in a generation where things that were really good, were said to be wicked or choice.... choice to me is a decision.. and it seems so strange to say that something good is decision

man up and grow a pair, are terms I have heard and the irony is that some of the toughest people I have met are also some of the most femme males I have met, they come across as soft, sensitive, gentle people but when the shit hits the fan, they never crack or stumble and its a lil odd for me to think of telling people to man up when some of the more masculine men I have met, cracked quickly under pressure.....

I would use man up or grow a pair as a statement to a person to stand up for themselves, take responsibility or take charge of the situation...rather than a statement that if they cry or hurt, they are not a man.... and I have seen grown men cry at the loss of a pet or at a military ceremony but not shed a tear at the loss of a family member......

as for always positive people that are always pushing the positive, uplifting, love and light type of thinking.... we do not get on..... there are times that reality requires that we deal with things with a negative reaction and response.....