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MarieDelta
Aug 15, 2008, 1:47 PM
I know that most of us out there have heard this, but I just wanted to put these out there for the uninformed.


Blind dating is never risk-free, especially when some aspect of a person’s life exists that can cause negative reactions, or when an aspect of their life means that they might be potential prey to predators. When meeting a person for the first time, you will be completely unaware of any history of confusion, instability or biases they may have. First impressions are never enough, and the greater the risk, the more secure the safety net is needed. The recent and tragic murder of Angie Zapata is only one of thousands of stories in which dates have gone bad, and it demonstrates how serious the consequences can be.

One habit that can minimize the risk is known as the “silent alarm” (sometimes also called the “safecall”). There are several variations of this procedure… you can settle on what is most comfortable for you.


For your first meeting, it’s best to insist on a public place. A restaurant or a mall coffee shop is ideal. Never agree to meet a stranger in a private place such as a hotel room or home. Make sure that your transportation to and from your first meeting is under your control — don’t rely on your date for a ride home. And don’t let someone know your home address until you’re comfortable with them first. If prior discussion indicates a mutual plan of going someplace later for more private fun (which might include your place or theirs), agree on the location in advance, and have the address to this location. If this location changes unexpectedly, this may be a warning sign to get out or call for help. An alternative is to meet in a double-date, group-date or activity group setting or outing.

A “silent alarm” is a situation in which you tell a trusted friend where you are going, and when you expect to be back; you also give him or her any information that you may have about the person you will be seeing and the place you will be going. You arrange with that friend to call at a prearranged time, no matter what the events of the evening bring. If you don’t check in, your friend is to call the local authorities immediately, with any information they have. It’s also a good idea to prearrange with this friend to have a code word or phrase that you might include during your phone conversation, in the event that you are forced to make the call under duress, and need to indicate that you need help, without arousing suspicion from a person threatening you.

Helpful points:

If you have your date’s phone number, try to arrange to call it first, to verify that it is correct.
Inform your friend beforehand what your plans for the evening are: time, place, etc. If anything changes, let them know during a check-in call.
Don’t use your date’s phone or cell, in order to help avoid the call being traced later, thereby potentially putting your friend in danger. Cell phones add a certain element of potential danger to your friends, so depending on the level of risk, you may want to consider this.
This isn’t just a first-time procedure, but can be maintained (perhaps relaxed gradually) for as long as you remain uncertain about someone.
The “silent alarm” is most useful as a deterrent. If your date knows that you need to check in with a friend, they’ll know that if they harm you, this will alert someone else. The point is that he (or she) knows that there will be some accountability if anything goes bad. Some dates may be offended by this, but most should understand that it is sound advice for blind dating.
As overcautious as this may seem, when it comes to blind dates, people met online and the like, there is virtue to it. You can, of course, modify the procedure to suit your situation, and if you feel that a more relaxed system of simply passing your date’s name and number on to your friend and arranging to call them whenever the date is over will suffice, then do that. But any Plan B is better than nothing.

If your friend needs to call police, they should stick to referring to the encounter as a date. They should not disclose any information that might bias the dispatcher at the other end of the phone (i.e. if you are a member of a racial group or transsexual, or if any money is being exchanged or porn being produced).

If something goes seriously bad, vigilanteism is generally not preferred to police intervention. However, in some communities, such as where racial bias, homophobia / transphobia or discrimination against sex trade work may be present, silent alarm planning may also need to include having a personal supporter drive to the scene of a situation in the event of an emergency. That person is not to intervene or be seen unless circumstances leave no other option to ensure personal safety. There is a great degree of additional risk in this, so it should only be considered in certain situations (i.e. potential for discrimination from authorities on the basis of sex work or race) and only if the person is trusted to not be hot-headed enough to jump into danger themselves. That person’s first role should be to act as an advocate in whatever aftermath may occur only — not to interfere with the police on the scene, but to observe (a camera recorder of some kind may even be warranted) and hold them accountable for their actions; also to follow you to anywhere you may be taken, and help obtain your release if charged for any offence. Discrimination has not been completely dealt with in society, so unfortunately, this does need to be a consideration.

In addition to the silent alarm / safecall, there are other things to remember:

Never let your drink out of your sight. If it is being poured in a private setting by someone you’ve recently met, be sure you’ve observed the pouring of the drink, right from when the glass was first selected. This may sound paranoid, but the use of date rape drugs is not a new thing.

If you hadn’t planned on anything sexual but are suddenly directed that way by someone you’ve just met, be suspicious. Your best bet is to get out of that situation at that time, and assess how this person reacts to your refusal. A non-predatory person is much more apt to understand and respect the word no, and the reasons that you would have for not wanting to jump into anything too quickly.

For beyond first dates, it is also important to watch for signs of predatory behaviour. It is true that some signs can be misread, but if they are cumulative, the evidence grows stronger. Be wary of:

Attempts to isolate you from friends, family and / or acquaintances. This can include insistence on moving right away to a location that is inconvenient or impossible for them to visit, or wanting to prevent people from knowing where you are.
Attempts to make you dependent upon them financially or emotionally (i.e. trying to turn you against your friends).
Controlling behaviour which restricts where you go or who you talk to.
There is often more to safe sex than condoms (but don’t forget those, either!). The greater the risk, the more you may want to do to prepare yourself.

Trans-Specific Precautions

Male-to-female transsexuals additionally have to keep in mind that after having spent time on hormone therapy, they lose much of the strength and energy that they may be accustomed to — and as women, they may also be subject to more predation than they realize. One must not be overconfident, and instead should take some time to learn practical self-defense.

On Disclosure

For pre-operative or non-op transsexuals (sometimes even for post-ops, as surgical status sometimes does not mean much to a person who finds that their partner had been born a different sex) — particularily MTF, but FTMs also have risks here — disclosure is a serious issue, and there is in fact no “right” or “wrong” answer to that question. In an ideal situation, it would be best to be up-front at a time in which your privacy is protected (i.e. an online dating service which does not publish your contact information), before any other serious discussion or activity takes place. If the date is still interested, it’s usually safe to proceed (with the suggestions above). In reality, there can be concerns and dissatisfactions with the type of people available to be found in these situations, and live contact can be preferable. Then, it gets iffier.

Disclosing has its risks. Whether before or after dating, transphobia can cause people to react violently, or vindictively (in the latter case, outing you to friends, the public and perhaps other potentially violent persons). It’s not impossible for such a situation to lead to a later ambush. Disclosure after or during dating does have a higher degree of risk from the date him or herself, however, so this should be considered.

Telling is up to a person’s discretion. But what is absolutely crucial is knowing who you’re talking to. When trans issues appear in the news (i.e. the “pregnant man,” the civil rights fights in Maryland, Colorado and Gainesville), they can usually be safely brought up in casual conversation as a way to see how a person will react to the subject (bring it up neutrally, — i.e. you express no opinion — or you could out yourself just from that). Before that, get to know how liberal (s)he is on other civil rights issues, GLB, racial, feminism, workplace equality. If (s)he’s closed-minded to key parts of these or a majority, your date could be a timebomb, and you’re safer to not proceed any further.

If (s)he seems pretty liberal, it’s not a guarantee he’ll accept. But it improves the odds considerably.

CuddlyKate
Aug 15, 2008, 3:12 PM
I have one tip to add Marie. Avoid dates with small dark haired Scottish girls with large egos. Bind or otherwise.:rolleyes: You will never have peace of mind again.:)

onewhocares
Aug 15, 2008, 3:57 PM
Cute Kate

FalconAngel
Aug 15, 2008, 7:24 PM
Good posting.

For a couple or a single meeting a couple, it can be helpful for everyone meeting someone new for the first time in person.

darkeyes
Aug 16, 2008, 8:30 AM
I have one tip to add Marie. Avoid dates with small dark haired Scottish girls with large egos. Bind or otherwise.:rolleyes: You will never have peace of mind again.:)

Butya jus wudn hav it ne otha way wudya me luffly? Wot fun is ther in peace a mind.. givin me a piece a ya mind is fun an all innit?:bigrin:

fairbankswingers
Aug 16, 2008, 9:09 AM
Great tips...we also will only meet a couple in a public place such as a coffee shop...those that insist on meeting at thier home or a hotel first time out are wanting more then what we will do the first time anyhow :( We also have always met singles (all 3 of them) in a public place...bad thing was one couple a long time ago when we started to swing and were only meeting str8 couples met us in a public place, we felt very sad for the wife as when we arrived he introdused us, and when I mentioned yep, from SLS she asked "What is that" he turned white and winked at us and said it is gamming site...well we were nice and chatted, but when we got his next e-mail about "Oh, just give her some time and she will like you and then we can see if she will do this" well -BLOCK...poor lady

darkeyes
Aug 16, 2008, 9:48 AM
There no doubt that datin is a serious biz. Dun enuff in me time ova me life.. an wos always wary a me date, the more so on that 1st date an wos always on the lookout for signals that 'e or she wosn the luffly pleasant person 'e or she made themsels out 2 b.. hav sed before..hav always studied body language.. ostensibly the more so wen me out on the pull, but also in otha situations such as dates. If the body language is rong then me eitha didn go near or if on a date eitha ended it early or made sure there wosn anotha. Life an limb 2 precious.

Nunna this means ya havta sit in fear a ya life all day an nite. jus means in the ordinary waya chattin, dancin, eatin ya meal.. ya listens 2 wot peeps say an wot the signals they giv off r. In time it sorta becums 2cd nature an it don interfere 2 much wiv the experience.. Marie has mentioned signals in er post an they summat we all give off an r a strong, tho not infallable guide 2 the person ya getting off wiv or datin. Hav taken risks in me life, an usually wen it cums 2 getting off wiv peeps or goin out on dates how me c's peeps has cum off.. an we hav had laffs an fun an very enjoyable time.

Now me mite b a pretty gud judge a peeps.. the way me has lived me life this has been an essential part a me character.. but it is not infallable.. no 1's eva is.. peeps can disguise their body lingo an give off false signals.. or we can misread the signals given off. For all the fact me is an impetuous an impulsive gal, leapin in wiv both feet wivout reely thinkin or usin me own observation aint summat me stupid enuff eva 2 do. Not bout datin or gettin off wiv peeps, least not since me wos a teenager ne way. Life an experience makes us wary a peeps an we learn wot 2 look for in prospective dates.. an if there is the slightest dodgy thing bout em we say "no ta" an move on..

Nowt is perfect, an sevral times me has been caught out, an on 2 occasions wos hurt pretty badly, an on sevral othas wos hurt not so badly, or cleared off fore ne hurt happened at all.. sumtimes by the time we spot the rong signals it can b 2 late... an can lead 2 tragedy.. we r nun of us immune 2 mortality, an ther r enuff peeps out ther.. women as well as men who like nowt betta than 2 control, inflict pain an humiliate from the very start.. all a us shud b wary a that in everday life, not jus in datin.. ifyas str8 its hard enuff... but ifyas gay or bi, or as in Marie's case TG there even more 2 concern us cos there so many out there who think we shud jus b wiped from face a the earth!

Marie's post is triff an we can all learn from it.. its bout datin but its bout moren that..its bout life an ways takin care a ourselves.. cos so much of wot she says if not all can an shud b carried ova inta our everday livin..

darkeyes
Aug 16, 2008, 11:50 AM
Kate pointed out 2 me that mayb me didn make mesel quite clear bout the hurt wen things went rong an me has misread things.. not talkin ere bout emotional pain... talkin bout physical hurt.. violence.. yas prob guessed but jus in case... wen ya has ne relationship it can b a prob.. misread things an paid the price wich me neva wants eva 2 do gain.. an hopes neva happens 2 ne of u.. whole pointa Marie's advice.. luckily me survived but it wos a s a result a 1 less than pleasant beatin that made me realise that ther lotsa arseholes out ther an wos wy me started 2 listen 2 wot me eyes an ears wer tellin me...

Also.. often.. wot ya eyes an ears tell ya do get fogged up if emotions hav becum involved...wen me says me neva jumped in wiv both feet eva... not quite true... wen emotions r involved we can b blinded 2 wot body language is tellin us.. an we can pay the price an make huge mistakes... so wenyas in luff.. in sum ways..ifya can.. its even more important 2 listen 2 wot ya c an hear.. mite not getya a kikkin or ne otha kind assault.. but can still save ya from an awful lotta emotional pain...

Meinbruder
Aug 16, 2008, 12:43 PM
Excellent advice. I was recently approach (online) by a “couple” and chatted up about setting up a threesome. “They” were very excited to meet me but “he” wanted to meet in advance at my place to play and plan the threesome. I insisted on meeting them both publicly. It’s been a week now and I don’t think I’ll be hearing from them again.
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Good posting.

For a couple or a single meeting a couple, it can be helpful for everyone meeting someone new for the first time in person.