Keepin it real

[smicheller]

I joined BiSexual.com because thats what I am, a woman who equally loves woman an men. through I do love woman more. While navigating the site I have found people who are here just to find a good time(sexually). That's ok, but don't put yourself out there to be something your not. Example: woman who will do what ever to make or keep their man ( husband ) happy, thats not bisexual that's a freak for her man.They come here looking for something real(or so they say) but what they really want is something that will make their husband really happy. In my opinion your not bisexual, your a swinger. Keep it real. I go to the chat room to socialize but when I saw this and expressed my discontent, I was dogged, and so now when I go to the chat i'm ignored by the majority.Why, because the truth is not wanted. I have a right to my opinion, and say if the truth hurts then bite a stick. My profile says who I am and what i'm looking for, don't hate me because I don't bye into the lie so many (Not all) here try to type. You are what you are, swinger,gay, or bi-sexual. Keep it honest is all i'm sayin. You don't have to like me ( for tellin the truth) but you need to have some RESPECT. Oh, stop sayin people like me are mad or bitchy,keep your copout and stop tryinto put it off on me.

[FalconAngel]

You are so right about all of the fakes out there.

There are just too many pretending to be something the aren't just to get what they want; and it isn't just the girls, either. There are a lot of guys out there that are on the down-low because they don't want their wife to find out or they are posing as Bi just so that they can get to someone else's wife. It happens far too often.

On the up side, when it happens enough times, you develop a very highly tuned bullshit detector and, eventually, they stop getting past you and you start to recognize them before they can start to try to fool you.

[jem_is_bi]

It seem to me what you like and want is not shared by all others on this site. Thinking of them as fake, etc is ok, but publicly labeling them as other than bisexual because their ultimate agenda is not yours when they flirt with you is more than somewhat harsh. I can totally understand why those you bully to accept your view will avoid you. Even when you are right, you have no right to demand to be recognized as right by them. Show some respect, get some respect and enhance your chances to get someone compatible with you.

[rainbowmonk]

Wow!!! ... who hurt you so bad?... may you find what you are looking for... just remember what someone once said... if you look for the bad in people... you will find it.. I hope you will find the respect that you want but I agree with Jem ...more appropriately what is won is usually not enjoyed properly.
Monk

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

I dont remember seeing your name in chat. If I had "I" personally would have greeted you, as I normally do it for almost anyone. If I know then or not. All you have to do is come in and socialize, and people will warm to you if you are polite and friendly.
Just my opinion
Cat

[smicheller]

I can totally understand why those you bully to accept your view will avoid you. Even when you are right, you have no right to demand to be recognized as right by them.



I'm not a bully, and no one has hurt me. I do have a right to express my opinion, you don't have to like it, that's your right to disagree. Stay in your safe spot if you can't take the truth. I can take. So preach your self obsorbed crap to someone who is listening cause I can't here you.

[smicheller]

Oh an cherokeemountain cat, you came into the chat room and said hey to everyone but me.

[Cherokee_Mountaincat]

Did not see you Hon. If I had have, I would have said hello eventually. Did you greet me like everyone else did? If you did and I didnt see you, then I apologise.
Cat

[Canticle]

I can totally understand why those you bully to accept your view will avoid you. Even when you are right, you have no right to demand to be recognized as right by them.



I'm not a bully, and no one has hurt me. I do have a right to express my opinion, you don't have to like it, that's your right to disagree. Stay in your safe spot if you can't take the truth. I can take. So preach your self obsorbed crap to someone who is listening cause I can't here you.

I can totally see where you are coming from. In every chat room, you will find that there is a certain clique and there will be people who do not want to have anyone ''rocking the boat'' as they would see it. There seem to be many in the chat room, who proudly announce that they are going to put certain people on ignore. I find that, in itself, rather sad. The real world does not cease to exist, just because one visits a chat room and it doesn't matter what kind of chat room it is.

Personally...and I am not referring to just the chat room here, I see no point in multiple hugs of people. I have been in chat rooms on some other sites, where the time is spent, mostly saying ''Hello'' and nothing else. That's not conversation!

Everyone has the right to air their view. As long as the people concerned are not being insulting, putting them on ignore, as soon as their names enter the room, says more about the people. already there, than about the person with something to say.

A chat room is meant for communication, whether that communication be humorous banter, or more serious conversation. If all that people go to a chat room for is inane blather, then that is sad. In many different chat rooms, covering all sorts of subjects, people will converse and those people will be of all races, colours and creeds and from all sexualities. Sometimes the chat will be light and sometimes more heavy.

Those who enter any chat room should expect to hear other views, ones they may not agree with, or like. Pretending those views do not exist is not inhabiting reality. If this site is a community, then all views should be heard.

And, Yes...I am heterosexual, but my post would be the same, whatever my sexuality.

[allbimyself]

Canticle,

I've seen you in the chat room several times. I can count on one hand the number of times you've actually uttered a word in the main room, however. I myself have greeted you at least 3 times and you did not have the courtesy to acknowledge my hellos. I've stopped greeting you since you don't seem to appreciate that. Many newbs come to the room and see a group of people chatting that obviously are familiar with one another and make no attempt to join the conversation even when greeted. They think that it's a "clique" and immediately feel like an outsider. On the other hand, many newbs come to the chat room and see the same thing and think "Great! This looks like a friendly bunch" and join the conversation. Before long they are looked upon as part of the "clique" by the first type of newb.


True, there are a few people that regulars instantly put on ignore, but you have made an ASSumption as to the reason. They are ignored because they are trolls (and in some cases the people that feed the trolls will get ignored, too). A troll isn't someone that is disagreed with or voices an unpopular opinion. A troll is someone that is repetitively rude, insulting, whiny and/or self centered. Examples of such behavior:

1) "Anyone from Bumfuck?" Repeated once every 30 seconds for 10 minutes followed by "Why won't anyone talk to me?"

2) "Y'all are just a bunch of degenerates spreading disease!" or other homo/biphobic remarks.

3) The political troll: If anyone disagrees with them on any topic they begin hurling insults (usually childish ones) rather than debate the subject.

4) Those that try to control the topic of discussion and/or control the behavior of others. See below.

I could continue but you should have the idea by now.

As to the hugs, get a grip. Some of us having been coming here for years and have developed deep friendships. Many of us have very few outlets where we can be ourselves because of our sexuality and this site including the chat room give us a sense of community. I find it interesting that you despise those of us who ignore the trolls but in the same post belittle those that give hugs.

When someone does something one doesn't like here you have three options: 1) try to change them, 2) tolerate them, 3) ignore them. Usually what happens is step 1 followed by step 2 or 3 once it becomes obvious that an impasse has been reached. Option 2 or 3 depends on what the behavior is. If it's a simple political disagreement it's usually step 2. If it's trollish behavior, step 3 is called for. At any rate, continuing step 1 is pointless and childish. Oh, missed an option. There is always option 4, leave and don't come back.


Everyone has the right to air their view. As long as the people concerned are not being insulting, putting them on ignore, as soon as their names enter the room, says more about the people. already there, than about the person with something to say.

Truly ignorant statement that. When someone repeatedly offends others they can safely be ignored immediately. You don't seem to understand that some people get off on baiting others. The only way to deal with such people is to ignore them once they've proven what they are. To expect them to act differently from one day to the next is insane.


A chat room is meant for communication, whether that communication be humorous banter, or more serious conversation. If all that people go to a chat room for is inane blather, then that is sad. In many different chat rooms, covering all sorts of subjects, people will converse and those people will be of all races, colours and creeds and from all sexualities. Sometimes the chat will be light and sometimes more heavy.For someone that hasn't contributed a drop to the conversation you sure are critical of it. You haven't been to chat enough if all you think all that happens is "inane blather." If you have a topic, bring it up. It isn't our responsibility to find an interesting topic for you. We aren't here to entertain you.



Those who enter any chat room should expect to hear other views, ones they may not agree with, or like. Pretending those views do not exist is not inhabiting reality. If this site is a community, then all views should be heard.Views expressed in a reasoned manner are heard and debated. People that act like trolls are ignored. You don't seem to know the difference between someone with an opposing view and a troll. Until you gain that experience don't presume to judge those that do.

[Canticle]

Canticle,

I've seen you in the chat room several times. I can count on one hand the number of times you've actually uttered a word in the main room, however. I myself have greeted you at least 3 times and you did not have the courtesy to acknowledge my hellos. I've stopped greeting you since you don't seem to appreciate that. Many newbs come to the room and see a group of people chatting that obviously are familiar with one another and make no attempt to join the conversation even when greeted. They think that it's a "clique" and immediately feel like an outsider. On the other hand, many newbs come to the chat room and see the same thing and think "Great! This looks like a friendly bunch" and join the conversation. Before long they are looked upon as part of the "clique" by the first type of newb.


True, there are a few people that regulars instantly put on ignore, but you have made an ASSumption as to the reason. They are ignored because they are trolls (and in some cases the people that feed the trolls will get ignored, too). A troll isn't someone that is disagreed with or voices an unpopular opinion. A troll is someone that is repetitively rude, insulting, whiny and/or self centered. Examples of such behavior:

1) "Anyone from Bumfuck?" Repeated once every 30 seconds for 10 minutes followed by "Why won't anyone talk to me?"

2) "Y'all are just a bunch of degenerates spreading disease!" or other homo/biphobic remarks.

3) The political troll: If anyone disagrees with them on any topic they begin hurling insults (usually childish ones) rather than debate the subject.

4) Those that try to control the topic of discussion and/or control the behavior of others. See below.

I could continue but you should have the idea by now.

As to the hugs, get a grip. Some of us having been coming here for years and have developed deep friendships. Many of us have very few outlets where we can be ourselves because of our sexuality and this site including the chat room give us a sense of community. I find it interesting that you despise those of us who ignore the trolls but in the same post belittle those that give hugs.

When someone does something one doesn't like here you have three options: 1) try to change them, 2) tolerate them, 3) ignore them. Usually what happens is step 1 followed by step 2 or 3 once it becomes obvious that an impasse has been reached. Option 2 or 3 depends on what the behavior is. If it's a simple political disagreement it's usually step 2. If it's trollish behavior, step 3 is called for. At any rate, continuing step 1 is pointless and childish. Oh, missed an option. There is always option 4, leave and don't come back.



Truly ignorant statement that. When someone repeatedly offends others they can safely be ignored immediately. You don't seem to understand that some people get off on baiting others. The only way to deal with such people is to ignore them once they've proven what they are. To expect them to act differently from one day to the next is insane.

For someone that hasn't contributed a drop to the conversation you sure are critical of it. You haven't been to chat enough if all you think all that happens is "inane blather." If you have a topic, bring it up. It isn't our responsibility to find an interesting topic for you. We aren't here to entertain you.

Views expressed in a reasoned manner are heard and debated. People that act like trolls are ignored. You don't seem to know the difference between someone with an opposing view and a troll. Until you gain that experience don't presume to judge those that do.

Now, I don't think that I have visited the chat room here as many times as you. In fact that is fairly obvious. In my post, I do believe that I was commenting on chat rooms in general and not specifically, the bisexual.com chat room.

You have immediately gone on the defensive, and taken pieces from my post and used them, totally out of context. Indeed you have then gone on to make a numbered list of different items. If I hit a raw nerve with you, that is not my problem, but yours. My post was neither ignorant, biased, prejudiced etc etc.....I was making an observation and that observation applies to every chat room, on all sorts of sites.

With every group of people, in whatever society or setting, one finds a clique and sometimes even a hierarchy. In fact I think this sort of behaviour is found throughout the animal kingdom, and humans being another animal, is more than likely to act in the same manner.

The ''hugs'' thing is a personal view of mine. Personally, I see no need for it. To me, a general ''Hello'' is all that is required and then if individuals address one, one answers. I really do never remember having been greeted by you. The auto scroll passes the script on so quickly, that I am sure that I must have missed many individual greetings. I do not apologise for this, for it is just the way things are.

I have to disagree about new people eventually becoming part of the ''clique', and then even newer posters being on the outside, looking in and the same process happening all over again. I will state again, that I believe that in any chatroom, that's any chat room, on any subject, one will find that there will always be a small group of people who have become so closely knitted together, that woe betide anyone who passes a critical comment, or expresses a view that the clique do not like.

This is the same in any chat room, any social society, country club......the list is endless.

One does not assume or presume anything, anymore than any other person does, and I am most certainly not an ASS. I do believe that was meant to be a personal insult. I will ignore it.

On the subject of ''trolls,'' I personally find this a strange term. It is very easy for any grouping of people, any!...to decide that a person not adhering to the norm expected by others, should be considered a ''troll.'' I do believe that I mentioned that any person who insults others and does so repeatedly is needing ignoring. not banning, but ignoring, for banning such people does no good at all. They just find another way to come back on to a site...any site.

When did I say that I despised people who put others on ignore? Indeed, I did not! I pointed out that there are times when some people will make a big show of letting others know, that they are going to ignore people. Why? If one wants to ignore someone....just do it....it's a personal decision. People should not feel that they then have to inform each new entrant to the room, to put someone on ignore.

My view there is not a case of despising anyone. It's an observation and a comment.....a personal comment! I do believe that personal comments are allowed....are they not? Free thought!

I have read many articles (and NO, I cannot list them, where the researchers, and subsequently writers of the articles, have thought that what are sometimes called ''trolls'' by any grouping of people...any grouping, are often disgruntled members...or ex members of whatever group they may have belonged to.

Rather than ignoring such people, humans do tend to rise to the bait. We all do it. Just think how many threads about the ''troll'' were on the forum, at the same time, recently. The ''troll'' must have been very happy, although I do not see what sort of warped pleasure they derive from their behaviour.

Oh, Yes. I do get the idea.....very much so. However I do not need to make a list of numbered points, nor do i need to take offence that the number of not so carefully disguised insults, which you have thrown at me.

''As to the hugs, get a grip. Some of us having been coming here for years and have developed deep friendships. Many of us have very few outlets where we can be ourselves because of our sexuality and this site including the chat room give us a sense of community. I find it interesting that you despise those of us who ignore the trolls but in the same post belittle those that give hugs.''

I really don't think you get my point. How long people have been visiting the site, seems to me, of little consequence. If you believe that you have a community here....fine. If you find like minded people here...fine......but to accuse me of despising those that ''hug'' is totally absurd and an insult! I just do not see the point of, and I will give an example...((((((((((name))))))))))). I just do not see the point.

A personal view.....that is all. To me, my view, is a valid one, just as I am sure, you believe yours to be. Such criticism, is not belittlement. However, perhaps I could take your less than polite comments to me as someone despising me, or belittling me. I shall not, because I remain calm and disconnected to any insults.

''When someone does something one doesn't like here you have three options: 1) try to change them, 2) tolerate them, 3) ignore them. Usually what happens is step 1 followed by step 2 or 3 once it becomes obvious that an impasse has been reached. Option 2 or 3 depends on what the behavior is. If it's a simple political disagreement it's usually step 2. If it's trollish behavior, step 3 is called for. At any rate, continuing step 1 is pointless and childish. Oh, missed an option. There is always option 4, leave and don't come back.''

I think you repeat yourself here, so I see no need to reply to this paragraph. Except for two points! One should never try to change anyone. Indeed one person cannot change another. They can expose the person who offends them, to their point of view and then hope the the offender will take on board some of what has been said to them The individual changes the individual. That is how it should be.

Toleration is good......it shows understanding.

A ''troll'' can be so many things. From a person insulting people in a chat room, to a political dissident. It could be called ''trollish'' to refer to other humans as ''trolls.''

Ignoring the rude is a good idea. However, ignoring others, without understanding their anger, disillusioment etc, is not.

Just wanting people to leave, so that one can have only a ''happy'' community, is in my mind not realistic. It does not strike of any tolerance at all.

..Truly ignorant statement that. When someone repeatedly offends others they can safely be ignored immediately. You don't seem to understand that some people get off on baiting others. The only way to deal with such people is to ignore them once they've proven what they are. To expect them to act differently from one day to the next is insane.''

I understand fully, that some people enjoy baiting others. It is something that we all encounter from time to time. If someone is always ignored, how on earth can one ever find out if the person is likely to change, lose their anger, or even explain it.

True, those who merely want to bait and see it as their entertainment, will continue to do so. One sees it in many chat rooms. However, to expect them to act differently, is not insane. Their is always the hope that they will see the error of their ways.


''For someone that hasn't contributed a drop to the conversation you sure are critical of it. You haven't been to chat enough if all you think all that happens is "inane blather." If you have a topic, bring it up. It isn't our responsibility to find an interesting topic for you. We aren't here to entertain you.

Views expressed in a reasoned manner are heard and debated. People that act like trolls are ignored. You don't seem to know the difference between someone with an opposing view and a troll. Until you gain that experience don't presume to judge those that do''

In the first paragraph here, you presume and assume too much. I have had many intelligent conversations with people. You have no idea what my experience of chat is, either here or elsewhere.

What I do not do, on any site, is take part in what I would consider vulgar conversation. Please do not tell me that this is a sex site, not if you are also telling me that it is a community. That would not make sense. A community of people is meant to hear views about many different subjects, therefore this community is not just for sexual conversation.

In your second paragraph, you onfirm what I have been saying in this post. The whole idea of calling people ''trolls,'' I find remarkably strange, for within any grouping of people, absolutely anyone can be turned into a ''troll.'' It only takes one person to call another a ''troll,'' for the rest of the group to follow suit.

Like I said.....I have plenty of experience talking in chat rooms.......chat rooms on all sorts of sites. Now who is judging?

The person who began this thread, was described in one post as a bully. What rubbish to suggest such a thing. A view was being expressed. A form of anger and frustration. But, because the person expressed a view smeone did not agree with, she was termed a bully. This is how many people get accused of being ''trolls,'' and there we come back to the chat room clique and a clique is always a small grouping......not a whole room. This goes for any chat room, any grouping of people.

There is no way I would ever say that the chat room here, on bisexual.com, was unique in this respect. It is just the way humans are. How they have always been.

[smicheller]

See canti that's what I mean, if my comments or opinion pertains to you or your actions, then I say truth hurts. If it doesn't pertain to you then mind your business. Thank you for your post because you further explained my point. And to those who consider me a troll, thank you, i've been called $*&(#@ by less.
Canti's right the majority of conversation in chat is of a sexual nature. Small minds.

[Canticle]

See canti that's what I mean, if my comments or opinion pertains to you or your actions, then I say truth hurts. If it doesn't pertain to you then mind your business. Thank you for your post because you further explained my point. And to those who consider me a troll, thank you, i've been called $*&(#@ by less.
Canti's right the majority of conversation in chat is of a sexual nature. Small minds.

My original comment was to address the, what I thought, unfair comments. If I has agreed with those comments, I would probably have commented too. I would not like to be misquoted as saying that all conversation in the chat room, is of a sexual matter, for it is not. I have found that one on one conversations have been the most interesting and these conversations have been with other heterosexuals and also with bisexuals.

This is a public site, not a private club, so the way I see it, all views are valid, unless they are insulting. Someone who is merely being insulting, does indeed need to be ignored. The same can also be said for those, who keep PMing one with sexual requests. I find that the most successful way of ignoring someone, is not to click on an ignore button, but to let the person keep posting, and just ignore the post. That is far more frustrating for the person doing the insulting. As for ignoring people, merely because their views are not the same as our own, that smacks of the three wisw monkeys.

[_Joe_]

I'm not good at lying, I always screw it up and get in trouble. So for as long as I can remember, I try and keep it truthful and real. Then theres times I keep it too real and some folks think I need a straight jacket. Those weirdos.

Straight jackets are out, bondage gear is in!

[DiamondDog]

Straight jackets are out, bondage gear is in!

Heh what about sleep sacks? Straightjackets are bondage gear!

[allbimyself]

Now, I don't think that I have visited the chat room here as many times as you. In fact that is fairly obvious. In my post, I do believe that I was commenting on chat rooms in general and not specifically, the bisexual.com chat room. Uh huh.


You have immediately gone on the defensive, and taken pieces from my post and used them, totally out of context.I did? How? If so I apologize that you didn't make your point clear enough for me to understand.
Indeed you have then gone on to make a numbered list of different items.Are numbered lists not clear to you? The items were not a list of things you said and mentioning it here makes it seem like it was.
If I hit a raw nerve with you, that is not my problem, but yours. My post was neither ignorant, biased, prejudiced etc etc.....I was making an observation and that observation applies to every chat room, on all sorts of sites.Saying your post wasn't those things doesn't make it so.


With every group of people, in whatever society or setting, one finds a clique and sometimes even a hierarchy. In fact I think this sort of behaviour is found throughout the animal kingdom, and humans being another animal, is more than likely to act in the same manner.Perhaps. From Merriam-Webster the definition of a clique is "a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons." That is offensive. The "regular" group in chat are not exclusive. All one has to do is be friendly, not insulting and participate. Every time I've seen you in chat you do not participate. Perhaps you prefer to interact in private. That's fine. However, if you do not participate with the group, you have NO right to pass judgment on what that group talks about.


The ''hugs'' thing is a personal view of mine. Personally, I see no need for it. To me, a general ''Hello'' is all that is required and then if individuals address one, one answers. I really do never remember having been greeted by you. The auto scroll passes the script on so quickly, that I am sure that I must have missed many individual greetings. I do not apologise for this, for it is just the way things are.Sorry, but that's not true. I've said "hello" to you when there was no conversation happening. I've seen many people greet you that you ignored.


I have to disagree about new people eventually becoming part of the ''clique', and then even newer posters being on the outside, looking in and the same process happening all over again. I will state again, that I believe that in any chatroom, that's any chat room, on any subject, one will find that there will always be a small group of people who have become so closely knitted together, that woe betide anyone who passes a critical comment, or expresses a view that the clique do not like.BS. Not true in this chat room. You've not been here in times where members of this "clique" as you put it have had their down and outs. BTW, you say that your post isn't prejudiced, however saying your comments are about all chat rooms and not this one in particular prove that you are being prejudiced. You can't say it's not specific about this chat room and not prejudiced at the same time. Mutually exclusive.


This is the same in any chat room, any social society, country club......the list is endless.

One does not assume or presume anything, anymore than any other person does, and I am most certainly not an ASS. I do believe that was meant to be a personal insult. I will ignore it.You can deny making assumptions, doesn't make it true.


On the subject of ''trolls,'' I personally find this a strange term. It is very easy for any grouping of people, any!...to decide that a person not adhering to the norm expected by others, should be considered a ''troll.'' I do believe that I mentioned that any person who insults others and does so repeatedly is needing ignoring. not banning, but ignoring, for banning such people does no good at all. They just find another way to come back on to a site...any site.Good! We are in agreement. Then why do you criticize those that ignore those people? I never mentioned banning.


When did I say that I despised people who put others on ignore? Indeed, I did not! I pointed out that there are times when some people will make a big show of letting others know, that they are going to ignore people. Why? If one wants to ignore someone....just do it....it's a personal decision. People should not feel that they then have to inform each new entrant to the room, to put someone on ignore.Unfortunately everyone of us will some times take the bait that trolls use. It's helpful to be reminded just to ignore the troll. None of us want to listen to the exchange. Saying "just ignore the troll" helps.


My view there is not a case of despising anyone. It's an observation and a comment.....a personal comment! I do believe that personal comments are allowed....are they not? Free thought!WTF? This has nothing to do with anything I said. However, personal comments are not what we are talking about.


I have read many articles (and NO, I cannot list them, where the researchers, and subsequently writers of the articles, have thought that what are sometimes called ''trolls'' by any grouping of people...any grouping, are often disgruntled members...or ex members of whatever group they may have belonged to.Uh, ok. Let's clear something up. I use the word "troll" in it's true meaning. A troll is someone that purposely makes comments, insults or displays behavior to evoke an emotional response. Don't hold me accountable if someone else misuses the word.


Rather than ignoring such people, humans do tend to rise to the bait. We all do it. Just think how many threads about the ''troll'' were on the forum, at the same time, recently. The ''troll'' must have been very happy, although I do not see what sort of warped pleasure they derive from their behaviour.Exactly! Now you know why we encourage those that rise to the bait to just ignore them.


Oh, Yes. I do get the idea.....very much so. However I do not need to make a list of numbered points, nor do i need to take offence that the number of not so carefully disguised insults, which you have thrown at me.Fine. I've made direct insults at you. That's what I do with people that use passive-aggressive behavior. My insults are direct, not indirect like yours.


''As to the hugs, get a grip. Some of us having been coming here for years and have developed deep friendships. Many of us have very few outlets where we can be ourselves because of our sexuality and this site including the chat room give us a sense of community. I find it interesting that you despise those of us who ignore the trolls but in the same post belittle those that give hugs.''

I really don't think you get my point. How long people have been visiting the site, seems to me, of little consequence. If you believe that you have a community here....fine. If you find like minded people here...fine......but to accuse me of despising those that ''hug'' is totally absurd and an insult! I just do not see the point of, and I will give an example...((((((((((name))))))))))). I just do not see the point. Criticizing the behavior of others that you don't understand is an insult. I could just as easily use passive-aggressive insults by saying "I don't see the point of having to make comments about what other people do that doesn't affect me!


A personal view.....that is all. To me, my view, is a valid one, just as I am sure, you believe yours to be. Such criticism, is not belittlement. However, perhaps I could take your less than polite comments to me as someone despising me, or belittling me. I shall not, because I remain calm and disconnected to any insults. LOL, you are a piece of work. Criticism of what others do that has NO BEARING on you is belittlement. You agree that ignoring trolls is ok, why can't you ignore the hugs?


''When someone does something one doesn't like here you have three options: 1) try to change them, 2) tolerate them, 3) ignore them. Usually what happens is step 1 followed by step 2 or 3 once it becomes obvious that an impasse has been reached. Option 2 or 3 depends on what the behavior is. If it's a simple political disagreement it's usually step 2. If it's trollish behavior, step 3 is called for. At any rate, continuing step 1 is pointless and childish. Oh, missed an option. There is always option 4, leave and don't come back.''

I think you repeat yourself here, so I see no need to reply to this paragraph. Except for two points! One should never try to change anyone. Indeed one person cannot change another. They can expose the person who offends them, to their point of view and then hope the the offender will take on board some of what has been said to them The individual changes the individual. That is how it should be.Poor choice of words. I meant to point out to them that they are being offensive and offering them an opportunity to behave as an adult.[/quote]


Toleration is good......it shows understanding.

A ''troll'' can be so many things. From a person insulting people in a chat room, to a political dissident. It could be called ''trollish'' to refer to other humans as ''trolls.''WRONG! You do not know the definition of a troll. Again, if others you've encountered call people trolls that do not use trollish behavior that is not my fault. I use the term correctly. Since you are debating me, you can use the word correctly and not bring in incorrect definitions to refute me.


Ignoring the rude is a good idea. However, ignoring others, without understanding their anger, disillusioment etc, is not.Criticizing others for doing so without experiencing what they did at the hands of the troll is hubris. Anyone can make a judgment about whether they want to listen to someone be insulting and boorish. They don't need your permission. Make no mistake, that is what you are suggesting. If you weren't there to witness the offensive behavior you are making a judgment about the person that ignored the offender simply because you didn't see it for yourself. Also, I don't need to understand their anger or other personal issues. I'm not a therapist, I'm not here to help them. I don't give a damn why a criminal is a criminal when he's victimizing me.


Just wanting people to leave, so that one can have only a ''happy'' community, is in my mind not realistic. It does not strike of any tolerance at all.Oh stop it! This has nothing to do with people we disagree with. The group you say is the "clique" here has plenty of disagreements, sometimes heated to the point that the participants don't speak to each other for some time.

You want to know why I've taken offense to the things you've said? This is a perfect example. You equate trollish behavior with someone of a differing opinion. If I simply ignored people that disagreed with me I wouldn't be debating you would I?


..Truly ignorant statement that. When someone repeatedly offends others they can safely be ignored immediately. You don't seem to understand that some people get off on baiting others. The only way to deal with such people is to ignore them once they've proven what they are. To expect them to act differently from one day to the next is insane.''

I understand fully, that some people enjoy baiting others. It is something that we all encounter from time to time. If someone is always ignored, how on earth can one ever find out if the person is likely to change, lose their anger, or even explain it. I'm sorry, do you think this is some sort of sociological experiment? I'm here to have friendly conversations with other bisexuals and the people that love them. I'm not here to help morons learn how to behave like adults. And I really resent your implication that I should be.


True, those who merely want to bait and see it as their entertainment, will continue to do so. One sees it in many chat rooms. However, to expect them to act differently, is not insane. Their is always the hope that they will see the error of their ways.Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath. Some have come here and been trollish their first time or two and are now well liked contributors to the community. When someone continually behaves that way I'm through with them. You may think you have some responsibility to help them. That's your business, more power to you. But don't criticize me for not wasting my time.



''For someone that hasn't contributed a drop to the conversation you sure are critical of it. You haven't been to chat enough if all you think all that happens is "inane blather." If you have a topic, bring it up. It isn't our responsibility to find an interesting topic for you. We aren't here to entertain you.

Views expressed in a reasoned manner are heard and debated. People that act like trolls are ignored. You don't seem to know the difference between someone with an opposing view and a troll. Until you gain that experience don't presume to judge those that do''

In the first paragraph here, you presume and assume too much. I have had many intelligent conversations with people. You have no idea what my experience of chat is, either here or elsewhere.Your private conversations are not of interest to this debate. You are criticizing what people do in the main room based on your experience. I'm doing the same of you based on my experience based on your lack of contribution to the discussion when we are both there.


What I do not do, on any site, is take part in what I would consider vulgar conversation. Please do not tell me that this is a sex site, not if you are also telling me that it is a community. That would not make sense. A community of people is meant to hear views about many different subjects, therefore this community is not just for sexual conversation.Uh, ok. Did I say that? I've always maintained that this is NOT a sex site. However, it is an ADULT site that has ADULT discussions including sex.


In your second paragraph, you onfirm what I have been saying in this post. The whole idea of calling people ''trolls,'' I find remarkably strange, for within any grouping of people, absolutely anyone can be turned into a ''troll.'' It only takes one person to call another a ''troll,'' for the rest of the group to follow suit.Again you assume I am ignorant as to what the term means, even though I've defined it. I'm sorry you've experienced morons that use the term where not appropriate. Discuss that with them, not me.


Like I said.....I have plenty of experience talking in chat rooms.......chat rooms on all sorts of sites. Now who is judging?Prejudgist behavior on your part. Because you've experienced behavior somewhere else do not judge us based on them.


The person who began this thread, was described in one post as a bully. What rubbish to suggest such a thing. A view was being expressed. A form of anger and frustration. But, because the person expressed a view smeone did not agree with, she was termed a bully. This is how many people get accused of being ''trolls,'' and there we come back to the chat room clique and a clique is always a small grouping......not a whole room. This goes for any chat room, any grouping of people.Ah yes, assuming the person that used the word is a member of the "clique." So you have one person that used that word and you are judging the entire community. Thereby placing yourself at their level.

[Canticle]

Uh huh.

I did? How? If so I apologize that you didn't make your point clear enough for me to understand. Are numbered lists not clear to you? The items were not a list of things you said and mentioning it here makes it seem like it was.Saying your post wasn't those things doesn't make it so.

Perhaps. From Merriam-Webster the definition of a clique is "a narrow exclusive circle or group of persons." That is offensive. The "regular" group in chat are not exclusive. All one has to do is be friendly, not insulting and participate. Every time I've seen you in chat you do not participate. Perhaps you prefer to interact in private. That's fine. However, if you do not participate with the group, you have NO right to pass judgment on what that group talks about.

Sorry, but that's not true. I've said "hello" to you when there was no conversation happening. I've seen many people greet you that you ignored.

BS. Not true in this chat room. You've not been here in times where members of this "clique" as you put it have had their down and outs. BTW, you say that your post isn't prejudiced, however saying your comments are about all chat rooms and not this one in particular prove that you are being prejudiced. You can't say it's not specific about this chat room and not prejudiced at the same time. Mutually exclusive.

You can deny making assumptions, doesn't make it true.

Good! We are in agreement. Then why do you criticize those that ignore those people? I never mentioned banning.

Unfortunately everyone of us will some times take the bait that trolls use. It's helpful to be reminded just to ignore the troll. None of us want to listen to the exchange. Saying "just ignore the troll" helps.

WTF? This has nothing to do with anything I said. However, personal comments are not what we are talking about.

Uh, ok. Let's clear something up. I use the word "troll" in it's true meaning. A troll is someone that purposely makes comments, insults or displays behavior to evoke an emotional response. Don't hold me accountable if someone else misuses the word.

Exactly! Now you know why we encourage those that rise to the bait to just ignore them.

Fine. I've made direct insults at you. That's what I do with people that use passive-aggressive behavior. My insults are direct, not indirect like yours.

Criticizing the behavior of others that you don't understand is an insult. I could just as easily use passive-aggressive insults by saying "I don't see the point of having to make comments about what other people do that doesn't affect me!

LOL, you are a piece of work. Criticism of what others do that has NO BEARING on you is belittlement. You agree that ignoring trolls is ok, why can't you ignore the hugs?

Poor choice of words. I meant to point out to them that they are being offensive and offering them an opportunity to behave as an adult.

WRONG! You do not know the definition of a troll. Again, if others you've encountered call people trolls that do not use trollish behavior that is not my fault. I use the term correctly. Since you are debating me, you can use the word correctly and not bring in incorrect definitions to refute me.

Criticizing others for doing so without experiencing what they did at the hands of the troll is hubris. Anyone can make a judgment about whether they want to listen to someone be insulting and boorish. They don't need your permission. Make no mistake, that is what you are suggesting. If you weren't there to witness the offensive behavior you are making a judgment about the person that ignored the offender simply because you didn't see it for yourself. Also, I don't need to understand their anger or other personal issues. I'm not a therapist, I'm not here to help them. I don't give a damn why a criminal is a criminal when he's victimizing me.

Oh stop it! This has nothing to do with people we disagree with. The group you say is the "clique" here has plenty of disagreements, sometimes heated to the point that the participants don't speak to each other for some time.

You want to know why I've taken offense to the things you've said? This is a perfect example. You equate trollish behavior with someone of a differing opinion. If I simply ignored people that disagreed with me I wouldn't be debating you would I?

I'm sorry, do you think this is some sort of sociological experiment? I'm here to have friendly conversations with other bisexuals and the people that love them. I'm not here to help morons learn how to behave like adults. And I really resent your implication that I should be.

Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath. Some have come here and been trollish their first time or two and are now well liked contributors to the community. When someone continually behaves that way I'm through with them. You may think you have some responsibility to help them. That's your business, more power to you. But don't criticize me for not wasting my time.


Your private conversations are not of interest to this debate. You are criticizing what people do in the main room based on your experience. I'm doing the same of you based on my experience based on your lack of contribution to the discussion when we are both there.

Uh, ok. Did I say that? I've always maintained that this is NOT a sex site. However, it is an ADULT site that has ADULT discussions including sex.

Again you assume I am ignorant as to what the term means, even though I've defined it. I'm sorry you've experienced morons that use the term where not appropriate. Discuss that with them, not me.

Prejudgist behavior on your part. Because you've experienced behavior somewhere else do not judge us based on them.

Ah yes, assuming the person that used the word is a member of the "clique." So you have one person that used that word and you are judging the entire community. Thereby placing yourself at their level.[/QUOTE]

OK...I am going to answer your post and I am not going to get into writing another hellishly long one. I don't type fast.....so it takes me longer to type emails, posts etc.

I shall also not use swear words, even if the swear word is restricted to one letter and I shall not hurl personal insults, which I believe is called flaming the person.

Your first comment.....my answer, the same...Uh huh. I meant what i typed in this first quote from my post. Enough said.

Your second point.......Yes I do believe that you went on the defensive. I think that I state my points quite clearly. Just because you may not agree, does not mean that my views and comments are not valid.

Your third point.....Oh, I am most certainly aware of what lists mean and they are quite clear to me. If you want to read my posting, as making it seem that your list was referring to things which I had written, that is your problem....not mine.

Your fourth point.....What you are really saying here, is that in your opinion my post was saying this and that...or not...whatever the case may be. An opinion. Your opinion.

Your fifth point.....I think your investigations concerning the word ''clique'' confirm what I have been saying. Just because you have not been in the room at the same time as myself, does not mean that I have never chatted with people. If you know for definite exactly what I do, surely you have not been keeping a record!

My original post, which was short, was meant to point out a few things. I had no intention of getting into any form of posting of long winded pieces of type. My comments in the last post, which was in reply to yours, were general. You may feel that the regular group in chat are this and that, or not that and this. Others may well disagree. That is why I tried to expand the subject and say that all chatrooms have a certain clique.

I really do not think that I was passing judgement, I was discussing a subject and trying to expand the subject, as i have already said. Again, I find this so defensive. I insulted no one. Mentioned no names. Has it evr occurred to you, that I may have observed some situation or other, when I wasn't actually conversing in public, or when I was conversing in private with someone?

Your sixth point.....Here you appear to be calling me a liar. If I state that I have never seen you greet me, then I mean it. The same is probably true, if other people have had no reply. Believe it or not. I visit the chat room for very short periods of time and sometimes I get distracted because I am multi-tasking.

Your seventh point.....Thank you for searing at me for the second time in your post. You will have to explain,''their own down and outs,''......I really am not sure what you mean. ''Not true in this chat room.'' People are people....what ever the kind of chat room it may be...and whatever the subject. I can indeed say that i am talking about all chat rooms. It just happens to be, that this is a bisexual site. I'd say the same thing, whatever the site, so don't tell me what I can and cannot say.

Your eightth point......Guess what, I don't lie. I have no need to.

Your ninth point.......No, I do not think we are in agreement. No one said you did mention ''banning,''.........I did! I mentioned the word and action. It was my right to do so. It was my post!

Your tenth point.....I don't think your comment has any bearing on the passage you have quoted.

Your eleventh point.........Really! My comment has everything to do with what I was saying, as it was my post. All comments are personal comments!

Your twelfth point........Who holds you accountable for what others may say.....not me. You have your idea of what a ''troll'' is....I have mine....the views of others will differ even more.

Your thirteenth point....Oh I think that has been covered already. If not....I do apologise.

Your fourteenth point.......Now you are telling me how I behave. I am ''passive-aggressive''.....No...unfortunately you are very wrong. I have been polite, not passive...not aggressive.....and I have insulted no one. I have simply made observations. However, I know you will not agree, but I think I know me better than you.

Your fifthteenth point. Just because you and others on this sitem may be of a different sexuality, it does not mean that they cannot be understood. We are all human beings. I see people typing hugging symbols in many chat rooms. My personal view is, that I do not see the point of it. Typing ((((((name)))))) or huggggggsssss has nothing to do with sexuality.

I was not insulting. If I had wanted to insult, I would have used expletives and other foul words. I made a personal observation. I am not aware that the thought police have taken possession of telling me what I should think and type. I find you insulting.....not me.

Your sixteenth point......Yes, I am a piece of work. A masterpiece. Aren't we all? I do believe that the word ''comment'' should have been used instead of ''criticism''.....my apologies there. I belittle no one. I know how it feels to be belittled, so it's not how I work.

It's not a matter of ignoring anything.........it's a matter of having the right to make a comment, as the originator of this thread did, and not be called a bully.....or make the comments I have made,,,,,and almost be told, that I have no right to make them...or to think for myself....or to have an opinion.

Your seventeenth point.....Yes, I do agree with you. The word which I commented upon, were a poor choice of words.

Your eighteenth comment. No, I'm not wrong. It's my opinion.I do not agree with you. You can have your definitions. I shall have mine. Scandanavian mythology, would have a third take on the subject.

Your nineteenth point. I have suffered at the hands of some idiot in a chat room, who either has nothing better to do, or who decides to have a go at people one at a time. But these are just type. I believe that we suffer far more in real life. So, once again.......I can't agree with you....and neither you nor i will give a damn if I do.

Your twentieth point.......I really don't feel it's worth commenting on.

Your twenty first point.....Much the same as your twentieth.....except this....We should love all our fellow human beings.....for what they are inside.....not externally.

Your twenty second point.......Well, I guess I am different.

Your twenty third point....I think you probably meant relevant, but I would never pick you up on that......but alas........I totally disagree with you.

Your twenty fourth point.......I never did say that you had said this was a sex site..........unfortunately, i have this terrible habit of wording things, the way I wish.

Your twenty fifth point. if you do not know what the term means.....why call them ''trolls''......this is what you were trying to say...is it not?

Your twenty sixth point....Not judgement.......comment......and people are just people....where ever they are. maybe the person who called the lady who began the thread, a bully......in so many words......would like to retract those words.....that was judgement.

Your twenty seventh point.......It does not matter whether a person belongs to a clique or not. I have not judged a community. I have made personal observations. A strong community should be able to take both comments and criticism.

And I can assure you, I have not lowered myself to any level. I am the type of person who will defend the downtrodden and the unfairly treated. So don't try to weigh me up. I am quite happy and pleased with the way I treat people......decently.


Merry Christmas

[MaybeSayMaybe]

Twenty seven points... Throw in a few more points, and we'll have a whole galaxy.

Once again I can't help but note that the subject of trolls always seems to arouse people in one way or another. I myself am now smitten with a case of troll fascination. Just why are these people the way they are? What part of them is missing? Why do they come to a place like this and sneak up on people?

I'm noticing that there are correlations between the trollish things said by some on this site and patterns of attitude and behavior I've seen in the workplace over a long period of time.

Have trolls always existed? Apparently they have. The clues come in the form of ancient literature, laws, and everyday correspondence, in whatever traces still exist.

So why are they the way there are? Are they just plain ignorant and prudish, or is there some other force at work? I myself am convinced that there is another force at work with many of these people.

For some reason I attract weirdos, wackos, and other off-mainstream types, although I'm pretty normal. Less so nowadays. The wacko part, not the normal part! More normal than normal, that's my motto. I've had people tell me some unusual stuff about themselves, and try some unusual stuff. One case goes right off the scale.

I think I finally understand what it is about me that attracts this. It's my uncommon amount of intuition. I'm one of those fortunate ones who thinks rationally at the subconscious level. Every once in a while I bump into another. With women, I can instantly sense it.

Mentally ill people are highly intuitive, and I've had a few of them treat me differently, almost like they were attacking me and asking for help at the same time. They seem to sense that I am not one of them, but am capable of figuring them out. If I catch it, things start getting more interesting. There is a fair amount of this going on right under our noses, and most people don't catch it. I can't understand how so many mentally ill people seem to understand what is wrong with themselves but can't seem to fix the problem.

Anyway, back to the trolls. Based on my own experiences and interactions, I have a little theory about people like this. They don't want to be the way they are, but events in life may have thrown them in that direction. Deep down inside, they are profoundly jealous of anyone who has a natural sexuality. There is a hole in their soul, and in all to many cases that hole was put there deliberately. People like this love to get into bureaucratic positions where they can hide in the shadows and sting the maximum number of normal people. That's how they get even. The middle management of the government is full of people like this. Corporations too. They are playing their own little version of the game of life.

I could say much more, but time is out. In the meantime, everybody have a great holiday.

[Canticle]

Twenty seven points... Throw in a few more points, and we'll have a whole galaxy.

Once again I can't help but note that the subject of trolls always seems to arouse people in one way or another. I myself am now smitten with a case of troll fascination. Just why are these people the way they are? What part of them is missing? Why do they come to a place like this and sneak up on people?

I'm noticing that there are correlations between the trollish things said by some on this site and patterns of attitude and behavior I've seen in the workplace over a long period of time.

Have trolls always existed? Apparently they have. The clues come in the form of ancient literature, laws, and everyday correspondence, in whatever traces still exist.

So why are they the way there are? Are they just plain ignorant and prudish, or is there some other force at work? I myself am convinced that there is another force at work with many of these people.

For some reason I attract weirdos, wackos, and other off-mainstream types, although I'm pretty normal. Less so nowadays. The wacko part, not the normal part! More normal than normal, that's my motto. I've had people tell me some unusual stuff about themselves, and try some unusual stuff. One case goes right off the scale.

I think I finally understand what it is about me that attracts this. It's my uncommon amount of intuition. I'm one of those fortunate ones who thinks rationally at the subconscious level. Every once in a while I bump into another. With women, I can instantly sense it.

Mentally ill people are highly intuitive, and I've had a few of them treat me differently, almost like they were attacking me and asking for help at the same time. They seem to sense that I am not one of them, but am capable of figuring them out. If I catch it, things start getting more interesting. There is a fair amount of this going on right under our noses, and most people don't catch it. I can't understand how so many mentally ill people seem to understand what is wrong with themselves but can't seem to fix the problem.

Anyway, back to the trolls. Based on my own experiences and interactions, I have a little theory about people like this. They don't want to be the way they are, but events in life may have thrown them in that direction. Deep down inside, they are profoundly jealous of anyone who has a natural sexuality. There is a hole in their soul, and in all to many cases that hole was put there deliberately. People like this love to get into bureaucratic positions where they can hide in the shadows and sting the maximum number of normal people. That's how they get even. The middle management of the government is full of people like this. Corporations too. They are playing their own little version of the game of life.

I could say much more, but time is out. In the meantime, everybody have a great holiday.


What is YOUR definition of ''a natural sexuality.''

Personally, I think people who post insulting posts and emails to people, are not mentally ill, just like to cause trouble or hurt. I think they are more than likely using that form of behaviour to amuse themselves. Sick amusement. Mindless amusement. but to them it is amusement.

Maybe the are bored. If they are, how sad! There is a world out there! A real world. There are people needing help, out there in that real world. There are various organisations and clubs to belong to, whatever the subject matter.

Maybe more people, especially those who get called ''trolls''..should seek out this real world.

To label everyone who may disagree with one, as either an idiot, a troll or deranged, 1s going too far though. The three wise monkeys weren't that wise. They never seemed to get off their backsides and try to change the world.

[pottzie]

"Mentally ill people are highly intuitive, and I've had a few of them treat me differently, almost like they were attacking me and asking for help at the same time. They seem to sense that I am not one of them, but am capable of figuring them out. If I catch it, things start getting more interesting. There is a fair amount of this going on right under our noses, and most people don't catch it. I can't understand how so many mentally ill people seem to understand what is wrong with themselves but can't seem to fix the problem."

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!
Pearls before swine!!-Blew my mind!
I know that rhymes

That damn paragraph fucking "floated" off the screen, and popped out in three-D! I'd be grateful if there was a "herb" that could make that happen!
Ought to be etched in stone somewhere.

[pecker]

Souds like a few people need a tapon Grow up for gods sake

[PolyLoveTriad]

Is it just me or are there others who find it hard to take someone seriously who wants people to 'keep it real' but fails to even fill in a simple profile so you can see how THEY keep it real? All I can figure out from your profile dear is absolutely nothing. I agree people should just be honest about who they are, but i believe part of doing that is actually saying who you are. Whenever I see empty blank profiles I always assume the person is a troll or hiding something. But thats me.

[vittoria]

...And the band played on (RIP Eartha Kitt)

[FalconAngel]

Is it just me or are there others who find it hard to take someone seriously who wants people to 'keep it real' but fails to even fill in a simple profile so you can see how THEY keep it real? All I can figure out from your profile dear is absolutely nothing. I agree people should just be honest about who they are, but i believe part of doing that is actually saying who you are. Whenever I see empty blank profiles I always assume the person is a troll or hiding something. But thats me.

And to those that don't get what AndYouMake3 is saying refer to the thread that we started on profiles.

[Doggie_Wood]

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is:

someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room,

1) with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response

2) or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Wikipedia

[Doggie_Wood]

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Is it just me or are there others who find it hard to take someone seriously who wants people to 'keep it real' but fails to even fill in a simple profile so you can see how THEY keep it real? All I can figure out from your profile dear is absolutely nothing. I agree people should just be honest about who they are, but i believe part of doing that is actually saying who you are. Whenever I see empty blank profiles I always assume the person is a troll or hiding something. But thats me.

Agreed !! When one looks to gain insight of another on this site, and when they encounter;

Personal Ad:
This person has either not created a personal ad or temporaily disabled it.

how real can that person be about keeping it or being real?

[FalconAngel]

\

Agreed !! When one looks to gain insight of another on this site, and when they encounter;

Personal Ad:
This person has either not created a personal ad or temporaily disabled it.

how real can that person be about keeping it or being real?


There is that, too.

[Canticle]

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is:

someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room,

1) with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response

2) or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Wikipedia

Is not Wikipedia well know for not always being accurate? Who put the information on Wikipedia and decided what or what not a 'troll' was?

Who decides what is controversial and what is not, what is inflammatory and what is not, what is irrelevant and what is not. Surely nothing that any human being has to say, is irrelevant.

Many people who post, will often go slightly ''off topic.'' Who has the right to tell anyone what they should, or should not post. As long the poster is not being insulting, then all views should be tolerated.

How there can be an ''off topic'' post in a chat room, puzzles me. Especially the chat room here. Is not the chat room for all views, ideas, subjects? Is not discussion good?

What is wrong with an emotional response? What we believe, what we hold dear, what we would fight for, as human beings, has to be backed up by emotion.

Now, if the person posting on a thread is wanting an emotional response, purely by using words of insult, this should not be tolerated. There is the option to ignore. Yet if we ignore all potential troublemakers, are we not likely to get stabbed in the back, whatever the site, whatever the subject, whatever our sexuality?

One person's troublemaker is another person's hero/heroine or freedom fighter!

Personally, I do not see how a lack of detailed information in a profile can justify anyone being termed as, or accused of, being a ''troll.'' There are many reasons why someone may not wish to volunteer information. These reasons should be respected.

Perhaps the person will fill in a profile, once he/she has a feel for what a site has to offer him/her. It has to be remembered that what is put in a profile, can mean nothing at all. A person can invent a whole character and who will be the wiser? So, which is best, blank profile or a tissue of lies?

Yes...and before you remind me....my profile is blank....fairly blank....but I would hope that the sincere words typed by a person, can be read and appreciated by another human being. Someone registering, then staying totally silent, yet observing how people post. Now that would be sinister and something to worry about!

[void()]

"What is wrong with an emotional response? What we believe, what we hold dear, what we would fight for, as human beings, has to be backed up by emotion."

Your sentiment here reminds me of a scene in the book _Interesting Times_. An antagonistic character suggests to the protagonist that it is honorable and right to die for a cause. The protagonist replies, and paraphrasing here, you've only one life yet can go buy another five causes at any street corner.

I'm not condemning emotional responses. But there is also a more adequate way to view trolls. They are folks who flame (http://foldoc.org/?flame).

"To rant, to speak or write incessantly and/or rabidly on some relatively uninteresting subject or with a patently ridiculous attitude or with hostility toward a particular person or group of people."

Hating others because they are different appears patently ridiculous to me. And such has been posted here on many occasions by trolls (http://foldoc.org/?troll).

OneLook, a dictionary site lists the following definition:

▸ noun: angling by drawing a baited line through the water

Words are interesting creatures really. They are variables without meaning. We use symbols to express ideas. So you can use words as paint brushes, swords, fishing lines, baited lines.

And no I'm not baiting here. just commenting ...

[Canticle]

"What is wrong with an emotional response? What we believe, what we hold dear, what we would fight for, as human beings, has to be backed up by emotion."

Your sentiment here reminds me of a scene in the book _Interesting Times_. An antagonistic character suggests to the protagonist that it is honorable and right to die for a cause. The protagonist replies, and paraphrasing here, you've only one life yet can go buy another five causes at any street corner.

I'm not condemning emotional responses. But there is also a more adequate way to view trolls. They are folks who flame (http://foldoc.org/?flame).

"To rant, to speak or write incessantly and/or rabidly on some relatively uninteresting subject or with a patently ridiculous attitude or with hostility toward a particular person or group of people."

Hating others because they are different appears patently ridiculous to me. And such has been posted here on many occasions by trolls (http://foldoc.org/?troll).

OneLook, a dictionary site lists the following definition:

▸ noun: angling by drawing a baited line through the water

Words are interesting creatures really. They are variables without meaning. We use symbols to express ideas. So you can use words as paint brushes, swords, fishing lines, baited lines.

And no I'm not baiting here. just commenting ...

Some good comments, but of course, I can't agree.

I guess that is that I do believe, if necessary, in dying for a cause. I do believe that it is sometimes necessary to give up ones life, to fight for right, and not necessarily for oneself. No, you cannot buy ''causes'' on street corners. One cannot find a cause worthy of dying for, in the bust streets.

Emotional responses are very necessary. We all need to express what we feel, what we believe is right or wrong, what we care passionately about, what we believe in. This can only be done by the spoken word and by the written one, by most of us mere mortals.

Emoton can be expressed in other ways, depending upon the subject. Poetry, although written and recited, brings forth the hopes, fears, loves, hates, caring thoughts of humankind. It can express the poets thoughts on the futility of war. It can be used to tell the tale of, ''A favourite cat drowned in a bowl of goldfish.''

Paintings can express all the emotions, joy, lust, love, sadness, death, war.....You name it....it's probably been painted. Seeing such paintings, stirs the emotions and we may express ourselves in all manner of ways....from verbal, written and even more art work.

Who decides what is an ''uninteresting subject.'' I wonder who has the right to judge there. Yet, this ''uninteresting subject,'' which may be rambled on about, is not the same as ranting and raving and throwing hatred for people, any people, at any particular group. Hatred is wrong. That is obvious. Insulting is wrong. Again, something we know not to be right.

Play the line, from the rod and there will always be those, who do not ignore the bait, unfortunately. Strike hard with the sword of words (also an anagram) and someone will get hurt.

We need not URLs to constantly look up, nor on line dictionaries. As humans, we know what is right and what is wrong and we also know that in forums, we express ourselves with words. In a chat room too.

What it is important to have is toleration and understanding. Toleration of the many different views people have and understanding of why they hold these views.

Rambling is not a sin, going off topic, is not a sin. Ranting, raving and throwing insults is unforgiveable, unless someone has been provoked, However, we show ourself in a better light, if we respond in kind.

Tolerance. That is the thing to have.

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I tolerate just fine. Many folks can attest to me being color blind. The world is gray to me.

You sadly missed the point of my comments, yet managed to convey something.

I too believe in sacrifice for what is right. But I won't resort to violence save for defending myself or loved ones. Violence can be expressed in words, too.

What you conveyed was being defensive of your views. It has been said those who have views in doubt wail the more adamantly. Nothing wrong in doubting your views. Such examination of what a person believes tends being useful, as one may alter their beliefs as needed.

Living beliefs are difficult ones to objectify and therefore dismiss. I believe there is always something. Further, I believe in hope and love. I don't have any deities, barring using success perhaps and my definition of success comes from Emerson.

You can have an open mind if you choose. I cannot for it seems my mind remains lost. I left it too open, you see. :)

Think that was the crux of my argument, if indeed I were arguing, which I don't recall doing. Oh yes, and you were angling quite well. Shame you found this old clever old catfish. I like the skim up top, bugs are more pleasant to eat than feces.

[BareHunter45]

I read the first post and then the second...scrolled and saw more of the same and that things were escalating...waste of time. All dribble. Sorry if someone was offended...but come on guys...get over it. (Now watch me get flamed for saying this...hahah).

[Canticle]

I tolerate just fine. Many folks can attest to me being color blind. The world is gray to me.

You sadly missed the point of my comments, yet managed to convey something.

I too believe in sacrifice for what is right. But I won't resort to violence save for defending myself or loved ones. Violence can be expressed in words, too.

What you conveyed was being defensive of your views. It has been said those who have views in doubt wail the more adamantly. Nothing wrong in doubting your views. Such examination of what a person believes tends being useful, as one may alter their beliefs as needed.

Living beliefs are difficult ones to objectify and therefore dismiss. I believe there is always something. Further, I believe in hope and love. I don't have any deities, barring using success perhaps and my definition of success comes from Emerson.

You can have an open mind if you choose. I cannot for it seems my mind remains lost. I left it too open, you see. :)

Think that was the crux of my argument, if indeed I were arguing, which I don't recall doing. Oh yes, and you were angling quite well. Shame you found this old clever old catfish. I like the skim up top, bugs are more pleasant to eat than feces.

No, I did not fail to understand your comments. Yes, I did convey something. The way I talk about things, comment on them, agree or disagree....etc etc .....nothing mind blowing.....nothing intellectually superior.....just what I think and how I think.....I long ago learnt that I will never answer another in the way he/she would like an answer worded.

I'm not colour blind...and I see the varying shades of grey.....Was this meant to be a clever intellectual trip wire....Oh, well if it was...it failed.

If we all resorted to fighting for right, purely for the sake of our immediate loved ones, what would the world be like? How many more might have passed through the gates of the concentration camps and ended up as ashes.

To ''fight for right,'' does not mean one has to use violence. Indeed the greatest victories can be won, through pacifist behaviour.

The whole world and it's inhabitants, should be considered our ''loved ones,''
not just a tiny corner of our own small planet, which we all inhabit, as individuals, on a daily basis.

''What you conveyed was being defensive of your views. It has been said those who have views in doubt wail the more adamantly. Nothing wrong in doubting your views. Such examination of what a person believes tends being useful, as one may alter their beliefs as needed.''

How so? I was not defensive of anything. I state what I believe, or know, or have understood from the words of others. That is not defensive.

How can you assume...or presume, that I doubt what I say. I don't doubt my own views or ideas. Do you feel that I should say things, just to keeps the status quo happy? I could never do that.

What I may type, comes from me, from the person within. My views...my ideas. I don't need to defend them. It's a point of view! I don't even agree with everything the OP writer states. However, I put forward my views...my way.....I do not run with the flock.

''Living beliefs are difficult ones to objectify and therefore dismiss. I believe there is always something. Further, I believe in hope and love. I don't have any deities, barring using success perhaps and my definition of success comes from Emerson.''

We all have beliefs, opinions, ideas. The word 'belief' is not always used in a religious context and why should it be. We use the word to explain something about ourself, in the same way as we might use, ''I think.'' Expressons. I would hope that you would believe in ''hope and love.'' Another expression of how I think and feel....''I would hope.''

I truly don't understand the need to mention ''deities,'' but of course, you were expressing yourself, in your way. Surely this is going off topic, as the OP writer mentioned not ''deities.'' Does this make you a ''troll''.......I would hardly think so.

''You can have an open mind if you choose. I cannot for it seems my mind remains lost. I left it too open, you see. :)''

Humour?.......or slightly mocking, in tone? I do have an open mind and it's never been lost. I am so sorry that yours ''remains lost.'' Though somehow, I doubt that this is true. I think you know exactly where you are coming from!

Too open......no....not possible. Too closed and unaccepting of the views of others....Now that is possible! It can even result in people getting called trolls, because we may not like their views. Internet slang...like any other form of slang, can be made to fit the situation, as we see it.

Troll...a mythological Scandinavian being.....and a name we give to people who either do not conform to what is expected by other posters on forums....or some idiot who takes great pleasure in being rude an insulting. Hmmmm!!!

Spam...a canned meat and the crap we do not like receiving on our email addresses.....and it is said that Monty Python can be blamed for the usage it is put to, today.

''Think that was the crux of my argument, if indeed I were arguing, which I don't recall doing. Oh yes, and you were angling quite well. Shame you found this old clever old catfish. I like the skim up top, bugs are more pleasant to eat than feces''

Did anyone accuse you of arguing. I think not. An exchange of views, without people telling others, that what they think, believe, have ideas about, think wrong or right, good or bad....is not correct....would be so nice. So much nicer than these ''defensive'' posts from others users of the forum. My posts are never defensive. I don't need to be on the defensive. My views, ideas beliefs etc are mine and I do not ask others to share them. None of us should ever change our way of looking at things, just because someone else doesn't like what we say, think or do.

The one thing that we should all agree upon, is that people who go about insulting others and being incredibly rude....or worse....should not be tolerated.....but to use a term, ''troll,'' is to me rather silly. People then tend to start calling anyone they either dislike, or disagree with, ''trolls.''

I find the rest of this paragraph totally surreal. If you are trying to appear more intellectual, more understanding, more knowledgeable, more correct in any assumptions or presumptions, you may have, by using rather surreal and flowery prose.....Gee, it doesn't work for me.

The void is a good place to dwell. It teaches us much about the reality we all must live. Have you ever tried a meditation, where you place yourself into the void and experience the total emptiness and darkness of that space. It's an interesting feeling. The only thing is......that darkness is not totally empty...it feels clammy!