I had a Blonde Moment, (Idea)

[Samantha Sabrina]

Hey everyone,

I am not sure if this is allowed or not and if it is not allowed then please let me know and I will remove it or the Mods can and I will understand.... :bigrin:

As indicated by my profile I am a Married White Bi M2F TG.

Being Bi alone is what prompted me to join this site, but being a M2F TG helps to, smiles.

Anyway on to my idea...

I would like to find out what you good folks would think about this and if it were close enough to where you live, or if you were to travel/visit an area that had something like this would you be interested in using it.

My wife and I have been thinking about using our 21 acres of Very Secluded and wooded land to build a Retreat/Resort/Motel or whatever name you might want to call it for the exclusive use by CD/TG/TV/TS and Bisexual folks.

It would also be a Safe, Secluded and Private place where those with an alternate lifestyle or curiosity such as Bi-Curios type people to meet with others, have a chance to know they will not be outed, know that even though they may be meeting someone they don't know that at least someone, (us), would know to maybe check on them from time to time to ensure everything is ok and not have to be embarrassed or concerned about it.

For those CD/TS/TG/TV types that are still in the closet it would give them a place to get dressed, experiment, and perhaps meet with others like them, (me included), or if Bi or Bi-Curious meet with someone to have a bit of fun and play.

Our idea is to build small Cabins/Bungalows separated with perhaps a privacy fence around 3 sides and a small “backyard” with a lawn lounger or chairs or maybe even a picnic table and chairs so the guest could sun bath in private, nude if they desired, even have sex without everyone else being able to see, even though anyone there would be just like them, smiles.

I hope I have explained the idea well enough for everyone to get the jest of it.

So tell me what ya think, would there be a niche market for something like this?

Huggggggggggggs

Samantha

[Billys_gurl]

Oh Samantha, that sounds like a wonderful idea. My husband, who is a CD, and I , the bi one, would travel to visit some place like that. He is just exploring his feminine side after coming out to me about a month ago, and someplace for him to feel comfortable in would be wonderful. If you and your wife feel the call to do something like this, I say do it.

[framan101864]

I also think it would be a good idea. There is a similar place nearby me. There are small apartments, camping area, a pool area, recreation area....etc. Clothing optional. Rooms available for rent. No sex in common areas. Similar to what you are describing I think. It seems to be doing well. I say if you have the means then go for it.

[Long Duck Dong]

do a search for the swingers resort in australia,.... its a resort that is run by a swinger couple but they run it on a rotating basis, it doubles as a family resort at times and a reception center......

they did that because its a ongoing concern and they need the income cos its a business.....

the same can work for your idea, if you work out the swings in the market, you could have it open during certain times of the year for the main purpose and at other times for events or holiday accommodation.....

it is a good idea... but there is a lil bit of advice I need to share, be careful about getting personally involved with your clients, and secrets need to remain secrets

the swingers resort I am talking about, the owners are selling up, but they are gonna do a book about what went on at the resort, and that have put a number of people on edge

[Karasel]

That sounds like a lovely idea. Especially since the resort would be in America, where there isn't many of these sort of places. I bet you would get a lot of money from that, and since you already have the land... I say go for it.

Just be careful, and screen your customers.. Might get a crazy rapist or something waltzing in the joint, that'll kill any business.

[TwylaTwobits]

I think that is an awesome idea and like was posted if you could work it where it was also at times used for family vacations you might just have a little gold mine in these uncertain times. Good luck to you.

[FalconAngel]

Sounds like a great idea.

You should go for it; After all, there are all sorts of lifestyle resorts out there, so why not one for those of us that don't quite fit in with the rest.

[Samantha Sabrina]

Big Smiles,

Thanks so much for the replies, suggestions and support.

I forgot to mention I have a nice well stocked pond down where I plan on putting the cabins.

Also if and when it grows big enough I would love to put in a combination, restaurant/lounge/dance floor and stage for drag shows and be able to let other people get up and perform.

The idea being to get known as a local spot where folks like us can get together on weekends and party a bit, have some fun.

If I am going to do this I would not be interested in having any sort of "Family" style events period, I would prefer to keep it strictly as a "Secret" place for our kind to feel safe and be able to be who they want to be without any prying eyes.

Oh yes being able to keep "Secrets" is a VERY Big issue, having lived in the closet for many years myself I do value that part unlike many people.

As for getting involved with our customers, yes that would be another big no no, however, spending time with someone that might come alone, and being the only person here would be another "service" of sorts, BUT, it would never be in a sexual manner.

My wife helps me tons on everything involving being Fem, and she is prepared to help others as well, fee based of course.

We have a very clear vision of what we would like to build and what we want it to be when we are done with it, and like others have stated, there are not many if any places like this in the states, if there are they are few and far between.

Yes the screening is an issue, again this is kinda part of the idea, rather than meet someone in a regular Motel, or someplace else for that matter, where you would be on your own, and if something would happen you would not feel comfortable contacting management for help, here if it were your first time meeting someone, then you could tell us and we could make arrangements for say you contact us every hour on the hour or whatever time period you think would work best for you, or even have us come by from time to time and just check to make sure everything is ok.

It would give everyone piece of mind to know they are not just out there with no help in sight.

Plus it would also eliminate the chance of having a gay/bi/cd basher or bunch of rednecks from luring someone into a dangerous situation.

I have also considered having something available to those into BDSM where they can practice and play safely, I have several ideas on how that might be done, but still have to think about it and the liability involved.

We are about 45 miles outside St. Louis, do you think that is too far to build a steady stream of clients to support something like this?

Lambert International is about 75 miles away for anyone that might want to fly in for say a long weekend or a vacation.

We have also considered being able to plan say a day of shopping or a night out for those that feel comfortable getting dressed and venturing out.

We also would have plans to take someone wanting to dress for instance out shopping while they are still in guy mode and help shop for the needed supplies that way they would not be uncomfortable shopping on their own.

In time we would even look at having a nice stock of the most common things someone might need on hand so going out for the basics would not even be required.

Tons and tons of ideas, smiles.

Hugggggggggs

Samantha

[TwylaTwobits]

Well I wish you good luck with this no matter what you plan on doing. I wonder if you are near Leasburg... I remember camping in the Onadonga State Park and it was truly beautiful country out there.

[tpk925]

Can I make a reservation. That was the best blond moment I ever herd? Or was it the worst? Just playing!! Go for it!! i will be there! ;)

[bicurcple]

We think it would be a lovely idea, it would be nice to know there is a place fairly close to experience this lifestyle without the fear of onlookers who want to get in your business. But as other people have said be careful and plan well.......because you know it will bring the protesters who love to draw attention to what they believe is immoral.

[12voltman59]

Sounds to me like your idea is a good one---and its great that you would like to take your place and make it a safe haven for those you want to offer it to. I hope your plans pan out and you make a go of it.

Good luck and welcome to the site.

I trust that you are out in a farming area--so from the stand point of being able to pretty much do with your land what you want to is no problem---I hope the folks around ya would not get too radical that you have such a place-----I know that smaller, rural places----you either have folks who feel "it's their business-ain't none of mine--so I don't care--they can do what they want over there!" Or you can get some people who think its the work of the devil or just plain "sick--and I ain't gonna take that shit goin' on with them preverts over there!"

Hope you have more folks who are of the first type around ya---once again---good luck---I might suggest---get yourself a couple of Remington Pump Riot shotguns to keep around for your own security till the Sheriff deputies come if you do have any problems with people---racking a round in one of those babies gets the attention real quick of someone who has ill intentions---sorry to say that such things are needed---but that is the way of the world.

[married male]

This sounds like a very refreshing idea, best of luck to you. Please let us know when you have opened, my wife and I would love to spend a weekend with you.

[Samantha Sabrina]

Smiles,

Again thanks for the responses all of them.

While it is true that some CDs just get off on wearing the wife's clothes while she is out, it is also true that if they had someplace where they could go and be able to wear something of "their" own that might actually fit them, and be around other people in the same situation, then perhaps they would take advantage of it, and it would give them the freedom they have longed for, then again there are those that would not take advantage of it, to each their own.

Thing is until there is something like this available they do not have any other option.

As for the neighbors and other trouble makers, I live .5 miles off the county road, my nearest neighbor is a good .4 miles away.

Beyond that the whole idea behind this is to keep it very low keyed, keep it secret, private, and secure so neither us or our guests/customers would have to be concerned with people sticking their noses where it does not belong.

We are nowhere even remotely close to a school, church, or anything else anyone could bitch about, unless of course the Animal Rights people want to bitch that we may be teaching the deer and rabbits bad habits, (which I would not be surprised, lol).

If we go thru with this, I would install security gates at the front of my property, and all the cabins would be located at the far back end, and I am even thinking about putting a 12-16 ft high privacy fence around the place even though it is all wooded.
If I ever thought it might come to it I could even install another set of security gates all the way out where my road connects with the county road, I live at the very end of a .5 mile private road.

Only 3 other houses on that road, 2 at the very front, and the other about .1 miles in, from there nothing but fields and woods.

As for firepower, giggles, I have plenty, 4 shotguns, 3 high power rifles, and 3 pistols..I was a sniper in the Marines, so have that one covered.

Honestly I have the perfect place for something like this, very rural area, my property is very secluded, and one of my friends that does know I am a TG owns all the property on 3 sides of me.

I have a total of 4 neighbors right now, and 2 of them know me and what I am, and they are cool with it, one more may know about me but we do not really communicate and the other one does not even know we exist back here, lol.

All in all I think it is the perfect spot.

Huggggggggs

Samantha

[open2both]

S.,
Bravo!
You have a kind, open and loving heart!

[Samalina]

I think it's a great idea. If your passionate about it then you will succeed!

[bicurcple]

Your security plan sounds great and the place sounds perfect, we would love to be there.

[Luffly1]

I think that sounds wonderful! It's so nice of you to think of something to do to help others find happiness and peace :)

[12voltman59]

Sounds like you pretty much have the bases covered----I sure say--GO FOR IT!!!!

[FalconAngel]

Now for the good and the bad of your idea ("bad" being obstacles more than a bad idea)

You are looking at a lot of expense here, I presume that you know that. Make sure that you do all of the homework to do a proper perspectus and business plan.

And do not forget all of the correct zoning and licenses for everything from building the resort to getting the food and liquor licenses.



I forgot to mention I have a nice well stocked pond down where I plan on putting the cabins.

That is nice. You can set up a small meditation area, such as a Zen Garden or Japanese garden for those that are so inclined. And the stocked pond can be good for just relaxing, like at any resort.

The cabins are going to require a decent sized expense if you are going to build them for use all year round. And there should be different sizes, efficiency, 1 br and 2 br with maybe one or 2 3br units for larger groups.



Also if and when it grows big enough I would love to put in a combination, restaurant/lounge/dance floor and stage for drag shows and be able to let other people get up and perform.

At the very least, there should be a restaurant/lounge on site, which helps with the privacy issue, and an indoor rec center if you plan on operating all year round.
Start with a small dance floor in the lounge and see how that goes before you move ahead with expansion.
In case of a large enough crowd, the rec center can be used as a party facility and you can always rent it out for adult themed parties and other adult events.



The idea being to get known as a local spot where folks like us can get together on weekends and party a bit, have some fun.

The key is advertising properly.
I would use the local adult publications that are usually available at adult book stores, advertising in the GLBT publications, local, regional and national.

That will make sure that the customer base that you want is specifically targeted, reducing advertising that will find it's way to people that you don't want to show up. It will never prevent it, but it will reduce the likelihood of the haters finding you through advertising.



If I am going to do this I would not be interested in having any sort of "Family" style events period, I would prefer to keep it strictly as a "Secret" place for our kind to feel safe and be able to be who they want to be without any prying eyes.

Of course not, but there are already some successful adults only and couples only resorts that are still doing quite well, more than 20 years on so far.

The key to secrecy is in privacy fencing around the property, manned gated security at the entrance and a staff that is GLBT and/or GLBT friendly.



Oh yes being able to keep "Secrets" is a VERY Big issue, having lived in the closet for many years myself I do value that part unlike many people.

Like I said, good, yet selective advertising venues as well as privacy fencing and a manned entrance gate all help in that area.


As for getting involved with our customers, yes that would be another big no no, however, spending time with someone that might come alone, and being the only person here would be another "service" of sorts, BUT, it would never be in a sexual manner.

Many people like the personal social touch in smaller resorts. It is part of the charm, even at adults only resorts. Anyone who has stayed at a "mom and pop" b&b can attest to that.



We have a very clear vision of what we would like to build and what we want it to be when we are done with it, and like others have stated, there are not many if any places like this in the states, if there are they are few and far between.

I have certainly never heard of any places, so yours could be a true One of a kind place. If it succeeds, then patent the idea and get royalties from others that want to open similar places.


Yes the screening is an issue, again this is kinda part of the idea, rather than meet someone in a regular Motel, or someplace else for that matter, where you would be on your own, and if something would happen you would not feel comfortable contacting management for help,

If you can find a way to do the screening process during the reservation and check in process, that could make it easier to prevent or reduce issues.


here if it were your first time meeting someone, then you could tell us and we could make arrangements for say you contact us every hour on the hour or whatever time period you think would work best for you, or even have us come by from time to time and just check to make sure everything is ok.

A good idea. The ideas for that sort of situation should be as minimally invasive as possible.



It would give everyone piece of mind to know they are not just out there with no help in sight.

Plus it would also eliminate the chance of having a gay/bi/cd basher or bunch of rednecks from luring someone into a dangerous situation.

It may not eliminate it, but it would certainly make it more difficult to get in to create problems.


I have also considered having something available to those into BDSM where they can practice and play safely, I have several ideas on how that might be done, but still have to think about it and the liability involved.

That is an excellent idea. Not that I am into any of that, but others are and that is a bonus for the resort.



We are about 45 miles outside St. Louis, do you think that is too far to build a steady stream of clients to support something like this?

That is not that far from a major airfield.


Lambert International is about 75 miles away for anyone that might want to fly in for say a long weekend or a vacation.

When we went to Gettysburg for our anniversary trip, we drove farther than that, so 75 miles isn't that far to travel from a major airport. But if there is an executive airport closer, you may want to see if it is possible for people to pick up a commuter flight from STL to the closer field and rent a car there.



We have also considered being able to plan say a day of shopping or a night out for those that feel comfortable getting dressed and venturing out.

That is what a consierge would do. But a good idea, none the less. Remember that good customer service, combined with a pleasant stay, keeps customers coming back.



We also would have plans to take someone wanting to dress for instance out shopping while they are still in guy mode and help shop for the needed supplies that way they would not be uncomfortable shopping on their own.

See above. Service is part of the experience.



In time we would even look at having a nice stock of the most common things someone might need on hand so going out for the basics would not even be required.

Why not have a small shop on premises, like many of the resorts do. You would not need to stock big, at first, and you could have someone double as a buyer that can get you what you need in a pinch for that. All part of service.

But like I said before, you have a great plan. All you need is to be able to implement it.

I wish you the best of luck on it.

[TwylaTwobits]

I disagree on a few points, Samantha has already posted this is not going to be too much a for profit business but more a place for people to come and be free. Your ideas of maintaining secrecy will do the exact thing Samantha wants to avoid. Manned gates, high privacy fences... let's face it, Americans are nosy, most people are by nature. Anything that looks as though it wants to be kept secret will make it on the 6 o'clock news. Samantha has posted their thoughts on this and I wish them well. From an economic standpoint it might break even after overhead for electricity and things. But it's Samantha's choice if the need is in profit the changes would be accordingly made.

For the screenings, really a well thought out questionairre or application would be more than enough, if alarm bells ring when you read something then do more followup. But a lot of trans and crossdressers and bi people are naturally secretive because they've had to be their entire lives, their lives in some cases might depend on it depending on the area they live.


I say good on ya, Samantha, you seem to have thoughts that are still being refined and I look forward to seeing your first posting here that you are open for visitors. Hugs :)