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Peel your eyes on [URL="http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html"]this[/URL]. Not quite the usual discussion.

Saw my first robin today! So Spring has sprung here in the Northern Hemisphere. Ah, the sexiest and horniest time of year!

- Drew :paw:

I play a game with a chat for alliance only in that realm. One of our members is from Montenegro and apparently they have a very negative outlook on same sex anything. Another member is a lesbian from France. To put it bluntly it got heated as they noticed the word "gay" was banned and the one guy, we'll call him A started going on about how he hates homosexuals in real life. Then the lesbian, we'll call her B, started going on about how they hate breeders.

I stepped in at that point and pretty much got A to agree that everyone has a right to be happy and what people do in their own bedrooms has nothing to do with him. He admitted he just didn't want them to hit on him. I said what makes you think they would? They might have standards you don't come up to. He started laughing and that crisis was averted.

On to the "breeder" comment, I told B that is was very offensive as not all heterosexuals can procreate and if it wasn't for those that procreate the world would end and there would be no more gays or lesbians or bis or trans born.

She apologized and we all got back onto a more friendly topic. But isn't it ironic how things can crop up in every medium and you either take a stand or you don't. In that case, I openly came out as a heteroflexible person with a bisexual partner. They were surprised and said but you don't act like some of the heteros I know so I would have thought you were batting for our team.

I said I can sum up my philosophy with a couple sentences.
1) Everyone has a right to be happy and people's rights end where another person's rights begin.
2) I believe in gay marriage but I also believe in gay divorce. When it's all equal everyone can experience the same joy and the same despair.

So yeah... I am fighting for more understanding of LGBT around the world as I come into contact with people from different localities. I hope you all are doing the same.

so life is great then life suck but you know what i am on the part with the life that is great. I am with some friends that is helping me. I want to say thank you and I have a business and a partner with it and its just starting but i think we can do it cause are long tream goal is to open a shop. I hope your life is great to and it does not suck if its does i well pray to the goddness to have here help you with the prob.

Blessed Be!

silver-wolf

[QUOTE=cbj4162;226285]would love a friend who is also a regular suck bud! ....... Want This![/QUOTE]

lol... twenty odd years ago, hired as a doorman at a local gang bar by a gang member friend, I came into close and clear contact with the LGBT community ( the pub was owned by the mongrel mob, one of NZ's two biggest gangs, the black power gang was the rival gang )

a back bar tucked away at the back of the pub, it was open on thurs, fri, sat nights, and it catered for the LGBT community inclusively, even a few of the mongrel mob gang would come down and drink with us ( on my nights off ), and large enuf to hold 150 people...so on a good night, there was easily 80+ LGBT and extras in the bar......

much of the rumours I had heard about LGBT, were to be dispelled and confirmed at the bar by many of the patrons in my time in front of the bar and behind it, as I was roped into bartender work one night cos of a sick employee.... but there are memories that I still have after all of these years... and I miss those days where there was real LGBT communal spirit as it was the days before the LGBT rights and anti discrimination laws were passed in NZ in 1993

one of my fav memories is the following

there was a older guy, mid 40's and gay, who was like the *ring leader * of the gay male group, a great bear of a male, fem in personality, quick to laugh and loved by so many, and always good for a joke or 6...... and he had a trademark blue polka dot handkerchief that always hung from the right side of his back pocket, he once told me that it meant that he was single and looking... one of the * gay codes * used by the gay community in the town....

one night, we had a out of towner come calling at the bar and if trouble could grow legs, arms and a mouth, it would have been this guy.... within about 15 minutes, he has already pissed off 3 of the lesbian / bi ladies that often played a fast game of poker in one corner of the bar, by talking about the cards they were holding.....

well my mate whom I shall call bear, wandered over to the *gentleman * and politely steered him away from certain death as a couple of the lesbians in the bar added new meaning to the term " man hater " and they were ready to seperate him from his manhood and other parts of his body..... lol... it was never a good idea to piss them off, one of the ladies was no lady when it came to swing a fast, hard left and a jaw breaking right roundhouse

well the gentleman was in fine form asshole mode and between wiping glasses, taking drink orders and wondering where the phone was with the ambulance on speed dial, I was watching from the bar, as mister asshole tried it on with bear, making some remarks about the handkerchief and how bear was trying to be like those F.......G yank .... yeah, like I said, the guy had a mouth.... bear is a quiet guy and gentle, but with a temper on him that slumbers like a grizzly in hibernation and never a good idea to waken.....

finally the guy pushed too far and said to bear, " so you yank poofter wannabe, gonna tell me what ya rag means before i slip one up ya from behind " .... and bear said, " mate, I will show you " .... I used to be able to clear the bar like a athlete on a vaulting horse, I am a lil past it now lol, but I have barely managed to clear the top of the bar before bear had the guy by the lapels of his jacket, a good foot between the ground and his foot, and promptly blew his nose on this guys shirt before dropping him to the ground...... I got there just in time to take the guy off his foot and face down on the floor.....
most guys do not go for their back pocket unless they are packing a blade, something that I learnt from the streets.....

manhandling the guy out of the bar was not a problem, specially when you are next door to a gang bar and the LGBT was on their patch.......lol

those were the days where the LGBT would sit and drink in the same bar, even if they hated each others guts, cos it was the only bar in town for them to do that, and a watering hole for a dry throat was a neutral place for most people.... and recently I was talking with a friend that said that the bar no longer exists.... apparently it was closed down cos of the bitching and fighting over who was going to run the bar, the gays or the lesbians or the bis and who was in control of everything.. ( it used to be a mixture of them )....and the infighting got so great that finally the bar was closed...and so came the loss of that towns " stonewall "

now all I have is memories of friend and foe, the good times and the bad, the fun the laughter and the vomit that had to be cleaned up.......and a curiosity that maybe, despite all of the positive that has come from gaining LGBT rights and anti discrimination, in some respects they did damage our LGBT communal spirit..... and that is a shame......


maybe one day I will stand behind a bar again, in a lgbt bar, but I am not sure that it will be the same, ... there may be another * bear * with a blue polka dot handkerchief in his back right pocket...and the ladies in the corner with their poker game...... but I have a feeling they are a part of a time gone by......and just a memory of a LGBT bar in NZ

as for bear, he died in 1997 of a massive heart attack and a lot of the regulars were there at his funeral, LGBT and extras..... and to my knowledge, that was the last time that they all stood together in a united cause.....

in 2005 the same sex civil union bill was passed, allowing same sex couples to be joined in a union, but even then, there was not the communal spirit that once existed in a LGBT bar.....

Hopefully, this may help. If not please ignore.

[QUOTE]I just don't know if I can ...[/QUOTE]

This type of statement is often heard on day time soap operas. It is
used to evoke melodrama. And in using melodrama chances are there is
some form of manipulation happening.

Melodrama is an exaggeration. It is used to convey that a speaker is
somehow larger than life, superior.

Stop for a moment and think about it. Are you larger than life? Now,
are they?

But you should better understand that they rely on you thinking they
are.

Once you think they are larger than life, they heap on drama. And then
it becomes use of the victim facade.

They will milk being a victim for all it's worth. You will overlook
their actions, moral or not, ethical or not.

Also the statement, "you won't know until you try" proves useful.

[QUOTE]I saw a message on his/her/their phone/pim/calendar/diary/instant
messenger/etc and it peaked my curiosity so I ...[/QUOTE]

This statement practices what is called shirking responsibility. It
does so by use of the above co-joined statement. They are the victim
here, someone else's actions caused theirs.

Ask why they were snooping and disrespecting the other person's right
to privacy. Ask if they really expect you to believe the other
person's actions caused them to do whatever.

For example, I visit your home and notice a note on your wall
calendar. The note reads "pick up laundry" or something to the effect
of "visited We Dazzle porn site".

I really could care less. Does that mean I now must go pick up my
laundry, visit that porn site?

See how it comes back personal choice and responsibility? If you can
not see that, ask a friend to help explain it for you.

And yes, I'm serious. Sometimes it is difficult to see things like
this.

What a manipulator seeks is you suspending disbelief. They want you to
believe another person's actions caused theirs. This is pure fiction
at best.

Everyone has the power of choice. Everyone has its responsibility,
too. Once a manipulator gets you to disbelieve this, you submit to their
whims.

[QUOTE]I have always been a firm believer in no x, but is this x? [/QUOTE]

Toss this one right back in their lap too. If they consider it x, then
yes it is x. Otherwise, it is not x. This goes right back to personal
responsibility and choice.

If they are indeed somehow a genuine victim and not a manipulator,
then they will appreciate you guiding them to becoming empowered.

If they do not appreciate that, then you are facing a
manipulator. They want something, it could be a response, attention, a
new puppy or anything.

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