American Rightwing is going crazy!!

The crazy stuff coming from the American rightwing types is coming so fast--it is hard to keep up with it all---but in Oklahoma--a state representative running for the Repulbican nomination for governor of that state has called for the creation of a seperate state militia to "resist the federal government."

http://www.dailymail.com/ap/ApTopStories/201004120781

Also--the newly elected governor of Virginia--a graduate of Pat Robertson's Regent University--and whose graduate thesis argued that women in the workplace "harmed the nature of the family" has done a number of things since he took office that are on the rightwing agenda--one being that he removed protections for GLBT state workers.

His latest thing----he has put in rules that require non-violent felony offenders who are to get their voting rights restored---have to write a personal essay to the governor about the sorts of things that they have done that merit restoration of those rights--which according to federal law are supposed to be automatically restored---with one of the things you are supposed to include----listing your involvement with a church!!!

Void dons the Jane (from Firely) voice. "Hi fucking larious."

That's part of why I avoid the news. It's all so dang funny anymore.

Amen? :bibounce:

I forgot another crazy as hell comment from a right wing politico in recent days--Haley Barber, former head of the Republican National Committee some time ago and now governor of the state of Mississippi was being interveiwed by Candy Crowley of CNN---he was talking about slavery---calling it "not worth diddly to be concerned about" or something to that effect.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0412/mis...matter-diddly/

Is any of that any different from the right wing religious nuts anywhere else in the world? Uganda has put on the back burner (for now) their death penalty for Gays bill.
I expect that once Pat Robertson and the rest of that merry band of right wing hypocrites get a chance, they will be pushing them, once again, to get that passed over there.

And how many people think this is actually how conservatives- - real, living, breathing, people you actually encounter, not some HuffPo imagining of a Glenn Beck Obsessed Tea Partier - - think?

Not a lot.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys have a second job at projectionists because I've never seen such monomaniacal, paranoid, and bigoted posters, even on the 10-15 political message boards I've wandered through.

I'm beyond arguing because I'm disgusted by both the caricatures you present AND the caricatures you are.


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Originally Posted by TaylorMade

And how many people think this is actually how conservatives- - real, living, breathing, people you actually encounter, not some HuffPo imagining of a Glenn Beck Obsessed Tea Partier - - think?

Not a lot.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys have a second job at projectionists because I've never seen such monomaniacal, paranoid, and bigoted posters, even on the 10-15 political message boards I've wandered through.

I'm beyond arguing because I'm disgusted by both the caricatures you present AND the caricatures you are.


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I think you miss the point Taylor..these are people who have been elected and have a modicum of power and influence... and no not all conservative people think such as they.. but more than maybe you like to think... especially in parts of the world other than the one in which you know and live..

I admit that I don't like political conservatives. If that bothers you, oh well. I've just come across too many who cause problems. If that makes me a bigot, oh well. The Republican club at my school actually tried to have the students of color organization removed from the school. The conservatives at my school have shown themselves to be both racist and homophobic. That's just how I feel, sorry.

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I admit that I don't like political conservatives. If that bothers you, oh well. I've just come across too many who cause problems. If that makes me a bigot, oh well. The Republican club at my school actually tried to have the students of color organization removed from the school. The conservatives at my school have shown themselves to be both racist and homophobic. That's just how I feel, sorry.

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I think the rank and file of most right wing political groups even on the so called mainstream are much more racist than the official leaderships... and many of senior politicians of those parties I always feel either pay lip service to equality or bite their lips very hard when the subject is brought up and in the number of gaffs which betray their true personal agenda... you just have to listen to their waffling and public utterances on xenophobia and immigration to suspect the truth of it..

This does not excuse for instance the Labour Party in the UK, which has many erstwhile supporters, some members, and the odd parliamentarian who are as racist as any BNPer or Tory.. in particular among their older support. This can be seen visibly by the considerable numbers of previously traditional labour voters who have defected to the BNP in local and European elections.

Skip over to Sean Hannity's site for a peek at some serious rightwing nut cases.

Having been deep into voting activism, working with Governmental Affairs for a State Chamber, conducting tours while laws were being passed and very briefly working for a couple of rightwing bigoted attorneys, I feel no compunction about calling them what they are. However, the left is not much better when voting records are scrutinized.

Vocally the left and right represent two fronts. On paper they generally support each other by voting or not voting on certain issues. Neither is likely to do anything 'for the people' that would make it tough for themselves or their corporate welfare clients.

Typically, the average person on the street is not an extremist and does not support either the right or the left entirely. That would be an extremist act in itself. There are shades of gray, and good reasons why independents are increasing in number and why independent representatives are suppressed by the primary right and left factions. Even so, independent, far right and far left politicians help maintain the status quo. They can say whatever they want because they know they'll never get sufficient support to buck the two primary parties. In the meantime, 'the people' lose and we pay for what we have because we let it be that way.

Honestly, if enough of us really REALLY cared, we'd be protesting relentlessly in the thousands without pause until we got what we wanted. We don't need the rights we don't really have if we just focused on what is really important and works for everyone, and stood our ground.

LOL
American Rightwing is going crazy.
So has/is the leftwing.
One can hardly blame the leftwingers after 8 years of of Bush (JR).
(Quiet lament; even though 'the Gipper' was my favorite president, if only Bush Sr, the most qualified man in the white house in easily the last half a century, had gotten the full 8 years... lament, lament).
Alas, the fruit did not fall closely to the tree with JR.
And with the potential devastation to the health industry, the space industry, and the economy along the way (you think it's bad now?) courtesy of Obama and left wingers.
But I digress.
Remember just two years ago that (please note sarcasm in next phrase) conservative bastion of Vermont, was threatening to secede from the union.
Although, in truth each 'state' was originally thought of as it's own country, with mutual concerns similar enough to become the 'united states', very like the recent 'European union' (best European move since inventing blonde Swedish girls and Scotish tarts).
Personally, it's good to see anti federalist sentiment in the usa, every now and then.
The European union is still too young and diverse to be singing the anti federalist song.

I'll be your Baphemet. I vote no confidence. I laugh at politics in general for it's hilariousness in a funny and serious way. That pees in your Cheerioe(tm), I don't need to apologize. See, just because I vote by not having confidence in the government does not automatically usurp the birthrights said government offers. I can speak my point of view, and if all I can do is laugh, so be it. Thinking about it and crying do no good. To hell with it all then, I'll laugh.

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Although, in truth each 'state' was originally thought of as it's own country, with mutual concerns similar enough to become the 'united states', very like the recent 'European union' (best European move since inventing blonde Swedish girls and Scotish tarts).

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..left wing Scottish tarts if u pulleeeeze :bigrin:.... the othas mite look yummie (an ver often r) but they don count..;):tong:;)

.. is always gud 2 hav anti govt sentiment at ne time not jus federal.... keeps the sods from gettin 2 cocky an complacent..

..an it wosn the left who got us inta the economic mess we r in ( an wiv it ya holy cow space industry..).. or that stopped summat like 1 in 6 'mericans havin propa health care... an certainly isn the left that thinks ver much a Obama's health care reform.. at least no propa left... but it mite jus b betta than ya had if it dus the job thats hoped for from it..

..still ya mite b rite..an so mite piggies fly...:tong:

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I'll be your Baphemet. I vote no confidence. I laugh at politics in general for it's hilariousness in a funny and serious way. That pees in your Cheerioe(tm), I don't need to apologize. See, just because I vote by not having confidence in the government does not automatically usurp the birthrights said government offers. I can speak my point of view, and if all I can do is laugh, so be it. Thinking about it and crying do no good. To hell with it all then, I'll laugh.

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Thank you. Politics is less refined than wrestling entertainment. I believe the last best debates had to be between Lincoln and Douglas. And even then votes were not transparently accountable anymore than the real issues were addressed.

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And how many people think this is actually how conservatives- - real, living, breathing, people you actually encounter, not some HuffPo imagining of a Glenn Beck Obsessed Tea Partier - - think?

Not a lot.

I'm starting to wonder if you guys have a second job at projectionists because I've never seen such monomaniacal, paranoid, and bigoted posters, even on the 10-15 political message boards I've wandered through.

I'm beyond arguing because I'm disgusted by both the caricatures you present AND the caricatures you are.


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It isn't the conservatives, as a whole, that are the problem. It is the right wing ultra-conservative Christians that have come to power and are doing everything possible to whittle away at our constitution and human rights that are the problem.
And those people are the Glenn Becks, Rush Limbaughs and Pat Robertsons of the world. The rest just follow because they just don't know better or just don't think for themselves.

The caracature is not so much a characature so much as it is an accurate description of party politicking, Constitution hating, hypocrites that we the people have allowed to be in power.

It is those people that have whittled away at civil rights. and plan on usurping more, if given the chance.

The job of protecting that freedom, which those people want to remove under the guise of protecting us from ourselves or protecting our souls, is the responsibility of all of us. Some as physical guardians, ready to fight, if the need arises, and some as guardians, through the voting processes.
As a fighter, I have the easier job. As a voter, I have the toughest job, because, as a voter, I am morally obligated to study the candidates as thoroughly as possible to determine if the person running for office is worthy of the job; if they are honest or if they are just another oathbreaker that just seeks power for power's sake.

So far, we have all allowed oathbreakers to sit in offices for which they are neither qualified or worthy. Had we been more vigilant, we would not have this current problem.

We must end our own complacency to end this problem.

We lost civil rights way back with Swift v. Tyson and Erie Railroad Co. v. Tompkins. Property cannot sue property, i.e., Americans became citizens aka straw citizens aka chattel. That's the basis upon which lawmakers have since proceeded.

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I forgot another crazy as hell comment from a right wing politico in recent days--Haley Barber, former head of the Republican National Committee some time ago and now governor of the state of Mississippi was being interveiwed by Candy Crowley of CNN---he was talking about slavery---calling it "not worth diddly to be concerned about" or something to that effect.

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0412/mis...matter-diddly/

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If you're going to be talking about our whackjob governor, please spell his name right: it's B-A-R-B-O-U-R. While you're at it, feel blessed that you he's not your governor. :soapbox:

Did you know blow jobs and any kind of oral sex is illegal in Virginia. You can go to jail for being naughty like that :bounce:

the crazies are to the right, the crazies are to the left, and don't even get started on the middle! what's a decent liberal, or conservative, to do, but fight against the madness until yingandyang are acheived! ...and people wonder why i like politics as much as i do!

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Did you know blow jobs and any kind of oral sex is illegal in Virginia. You can go to jail for being naughty like that :bounce:

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Heck, just look on the bright side, illegal activity is always more exciting!

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I've seen racists and homophobes of every political stripe. Liberals don't have the corner on the market of tolerance, not by a long shot. Even queers aren't a terribly tolerant lot. Just look at the past two weeks on this board. If you happen to disagree on the best way to help LBGT issues, you get labeled as anti-LGBT and the vitriol flows about your relationship vis a vis the closet. So, take that bark to another tree.

Yeah, some conservatives are going crazy. Then again, some liberals are bound and determined to take away our economy, construct a nanny state, and take away and our ability to make choices everywhere BUT the bedroom (tried getting a can of R-12 freon lately? How about eating at a restaurant that had transfats in their food? And geesus Christ if you think you can light up a cigarette even in your own home in many places. How about getting gas without ethanol? Or how about choosing what school your kids go to, or how about getting a regular lightbulb if that's what you want in your home? And on, and on, and on.)

Before you get high and mighty, you might want to apply some logic to your statements. You on the left are not blameless, not by a loooong shot.

Pasa

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I agree wivya Pasa as far as it goes.. parties of the left do hav their racists an hav moren they care 2 admit.. sed so in me previous post.. but parties of the rite hav ther racists in far, far gr8er numbas an in general rite up 2 a much more senior official level than parties of the left.. an in general ther policies r much less friendly an much more xenophobic.. is not a hard an fast rule but it holds up pretty well.. more so in opposition than government but when in government, left governments r generally not quite so proactive in pursuin an imposin the worst of ne racist agendas.. an much more sympathetic 2 the plight of immigrants an ethnic minorities.. ther r exceptions but as a rule it seems 2 hold true..

.. so no we r not blameless, an no, not by a long shot.. but we r much less blameless... nowt 2 brag 'bout.. but claims a left blame dusn let parties a the rite escape ther fair share.. an that fair share is a much gr8er slice of the cake of blame... an that is by a long shot..

What a mess USA laws are e.g. Local versus Federal interpretations and decisions.

As for the sex parts, one is inclined to believe it is April Fool's day 365(.25) days a year. In reading around (God Bless this site and its educational value) one finds a chap who was baited by a hostile wife/finacee and inadvertantly found himself transgressing a law on giving oral sex and so was sentenced to 5 yrs for this - in the late 1990's!

Please stay the hell away from us in the UK where we enjoy just about anything with almost total freedom, as led by our gracious Royals.

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What a mess USA laws are e.g. Local versus Federal interpretations and decisions.

As for the sex parts, one is inclined to believe it is April Fool's day 365(.25) days a year. In reading around (God Bless this site and its educational value) one finds a chap who was baited by a hostile wife/finacee and inadvertantly found himself transgressing a law on giving oral sex and so was sentenced to 5 yrs for this - in the late 1990's!

Please stay the hell away from us in the UK where we enjoy just about anything with almost total freedom, as led by our gracious Royals.

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Hahahahahaha Heph.... they do lead by example wen it cums 2 a bitta notty!!! They mite not b ne gud for owt else.. but for that..ya cant beat 'em!!:tong:

I don't know about most of y'all but this seems to be reminscent of a period in our history where we had some little trouble around a place called Ft. Sumpter................

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Originally Posted by Pasadenacpl

I've seen racists and homophobes of every political stripe. Liberals don't have the corner on the market of tolerance, not by a long shot. Even queers aren't a terribly tolerant lot. Just look at the past two weeks on this board. If you happen to disagree on the best way to help LBGT issues, you get labeled as anti-LGBT and the vitriol flows about your relationship vis a vis the closet. So, take that bark to another tree.

Yeah, some conservatives are going crazy. Then again, some liberals are bound and determined to take away our economy, construct a nanny state, and take away and our ability to make choices everywhere BUT the bedroom (tried getting a can of R-12 freon lately? How about eating at a restaurant that had transfats in their food? And geesus Christ if you think you can light up a cigarette even in your own home in many places. How about getting gas without ethanol? Or how about choosing what school your kids go to, or how about getting a regular lightbulb if that's what you want in your home? And on, and on, and on.)

Before you get high and mighty, you might want to apply some logic to your statements. You on the left are not blameless, not by a loooong shot.

Pasa

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Hmm. You and your wife don't like me very much, I think. *laughs*

I never said I was blameless, but I find most Republicans absolutely disgusting, in my experience, because of their actions. Let me say it again: the Republican Club at my school attempted to remove the group for students of color. I'm sure they've gone after the lgbt club as well. They have shown themselves to be racist and homophobic, and many Republicans are. My experience. A lot of Republicans think the poor deserve to be poor, public assistance should be done away with, women shouldn't be able to take the morning after pill OR get an abortion, single mothers are whores who don't deserve any rights, gay people shouldn't be able to marry, and so on. I want to keep myself as far away from people like that as possible. Being a biracial, bisexual woman with a number of issues directly affected by their bigotry, it makes sense.

A lot of conservatives' beliefs are particularly cruel to women, lgbt people, poor people, and people of color. I belong to every single one of those groups...so that's all I have to say.

Cheers Pasa, that was in my opinion, right on the mark.

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Bullshit.

The party of the left has kept minorities enslaved to the government for generations, creating their dependence upon the government for their very subsistence, taking away that aid if those people ever get a job thereby ensuring that the vast majority won't even bother. Ensuring that the minorities will vote for them by promising to raise the entitlements, while making racist remarks about any on the right who wish to cut back entitlements.

It's a much more insidious racism. It's racism that shakes your hand while putting on the shackles that you don't even realize are there. It's racism that not only affects individuals, but entire generations of people in huge swaths.

Don't give me the bullshit that the right are full of racists. It was the Republicans who pushed through the largest of the civil rights bills. It is Republicans who insist that all men are created equal, and that all men will succeed, or fail, by his own merits. It is Democrats who insist that the black man can't do it without the government's help. It is Democrats who insist that all men are not created equal, and therefor must have quotas. It is the left that insists that government is the key to salvation for the colored man, rather than the sweat of a man's brow, the industriousness of his spirit, and the creativity of his heart.

Pasa

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This really bothers me. The government is keeping the black man down? Ridiculous. We can start with the the fact that white folks are still the majority population in this country and therefore have more individuals receiving some form of financial assistance than blacks. Period. Are the ratios higher with minority statistics? Yes, but that's due in large part to the fact that the minorities are, in fact, minorities and so the numbers are functionally skewed based on smaller sample sizes.

I find it severely distasteful and telling that whenever the subject of state or federal assistance comes up in the conservative community it typically jumps right to the number of blacks and 'illegal' latinos 'draining the system' and 'settling for mediocrity' when common sense and simple population statistics tell a different story.